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64 Max Wedge choke questions #633203
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Hi Guys...Just got a 64 max wedge in the shop with the original 3705 carbs...It was set up for racing and now I'm putting it back to original condition with the choke equipment in place.. Getting all the parts and info together...Was there any linkage for a fast idle on these??? Any pics would be very helpful...

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Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: screamindriver] #633204
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Yes, they have fast idle linkage on the throttle lever side of the carb just like the automatic choke carbs but a cable bracket and lever replace the choke thermostat on the opposite side.


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Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: John_Kunkel] #633205
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Hi John, I recieved a box with most the original choke parts including the shafts,plate, and the manual lever with the brass hold-down screw for the choke cable but so far no fast idle linkage or cable/carb attachment hardware... That's why I was asking...I'm hoping the owner has another box of parts somewhere.. The initial check reveals the throttle shafts are a little looser than I'd like so I might need an insert kit for these carbs..

Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: screamindriver] #633206
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Just a folow-up on the 3705{one year only}max wedge carbs...There's no provision for a fast idle on these just like the earlier and more common 63 carbs...I did'nt want to take anything for granted other than the obvious differences between years....And I did find the choke cable brackets so I'm good to go...Firewall still has the original choke cable grommet but looks like the cable itself is gone...I'll post some pics after the engine bay freshen-up...Looks like a 64 max wedge convert is a rare beast from the info I'm gathering...

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Here are a couple of pictures.

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Picture 2. Would you post a picture of the firewall and grommet. Thanks

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Original carb tag picture.

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Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: dannysbee] #633210
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Here's what it should look like.

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Choke Side (choke cable clamp not attached, cable nut and arm are reproductions). If you need parts Norm Brady nbrady@crossramconnection.com can probably help you, he has a bunch of nice reproduction parts as well as originals, he also makes a nice reproduction carb tag for 3705's that now have the correct ribs, etc.


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Scott where is the choke cable bracket?

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Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: dannysbee] #633213
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Scott where is the choke cable bracket?




Had not been added yet (I noted it in my comments above).

Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: screamindriver] #633214
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Excuse the brain fart in my first reply, I forgot that I ran 9755's on my MW clone.


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Re: 64 Max Wedge choke questions [Re: John_Kunkel] #633215
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Thanks for the pics guys...Scott, as usual your work is fantastic !!! ....The carbs still have the original tags on them and we drove the car so I could see a baseline for the performance...I'll get more pics and post them including the choke grommet for you Danny ...Hey John, no biggie it just made me dig a little deeper for more info...Man, I love learning new stuff especially pertaining to the max wedge era...They're some wild engines !!! This is the first one I got to drive...

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No problem on the pics, and thanks for the props. I am pretty sure I know that car, it looks like the same one we had on the lift at the ICCA Judging tent at Mopars At The Strip a while back? I have a ton of detail pics of that car, some details right, some wrong, but regardless, it's a very nice car. It had a 64 Max Wedge block in it at the time but I believe it's had an engine swap since then to a correct 63? Do your carbs have stamped in numbers on the feet or not? Are the tags 3705S or 3705SA?

*John, don't sweat it man, we all know that you have your MW stuff down!

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Scott, We're still going over all the documentation for this 64 Sport Fury convert...It has'nt been to any major event with it's current owner and has been in Pa.{with this owner} since the early 90s...That's why I was excited to get this one out and blow the dust off to see what we're actually looking at...So far all the engine parts are checking out as 64...It was raced sometime in it's life and is'nt completely original...So far the easy stuff that I've found is a hemi distributor with a mechanical tach drive{capped and unused} on the engine and the intake is a 63...Including various fasteners that would'nt have been original...I'll get a bunch more pics and we'll see what this thing actually is...

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Ok, definately not the same car then, I looked at a white 63 MW covertible not a 64. Please post a pic of the upper engine stamping pad if you can, I'd love to see the original numbers.

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Here's the engine shot and what I'm starting with...

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There's no stamping on the carb base that I can see on either one...I don't know much about the carb tags but these don't look like the usual carb tags I've seen...

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Here's a pic of the other carb tag{right}...

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And lastely {for now} a pic of the choke grommet...Current owner added the MC shield and changed out the MC but kept the original....Scott, I'll get the pad pic and whatever else you'd like to see...We're still going over the numbers and figuring out just what we've got here...

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Here's the engine shot and what I'm starting with...




your heater hoses need to be rerouted away from the throttle linkage, you need those lines to go over drivers side fender. norm brady has the correct heater hoses.with the correct bends.

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Thanks, I've been in contact with Norm Brady and have ordered some goodies from him...I was shocked to see those hoses going through there also !!! The owner obviously did'nt drive it much since he bought it....It's certainly no show car but we're going to correct most of the stuff we can at this point...Interior shot...

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There's no stamping on the carb base that I can see on either one...I don't know much about the carb tags but these don't look like the usual carb tags I've seen...




Being that the base's are not stamped and the tag dates plus the SA,I would think they are over the counter replacements.

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The carbs that are not stamped are factory installed carbs and the carbs that are marked on the base are over the counter. I was was under the impression that the tags with a bead around the edge and the three hash marks at the bottom of the tag were correct. Thanks for the great pictures.


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There is allot of confusion surrounding 3705 carbs because they were made for MANY years after 64 production ended and sold over the counter. The most common thought is that production line versions were unstamped and only identified by the gold tags (stamped 3705S and having a ribbed tag design) however, some unstamped carbs were also sold over the counter, these would have similar gold tags but would be of various configuration depending on what vintage they were produced, some had the correct 3705S stampings on a ribbed tag but most wore later tags without the ribs stamped into them (like the examples shown above) and had "SA" after the 3705 rather than just "S". Then sometime after 64 production ended they started stamping the bases with 3705SA. The person who probably has the most experience with these carbs concerning these types of trivial details is Norm Brady, he has collected a (large) number of original 3705 carbs over the years and we've discussed it at length a few times, he knows his stuff! About the only consistancy with these carbs is that they are inconsistant!

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Here's a before shot...

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And the after shot...How did I do ???

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Scott, as much as you've helped me over the years I made sure I snapped a pic of the block pad...I have'nt taken the paint off the pad and it's tough to get a good pic... As far as I can see the pad reads...Top row: 426 T PHC Bottom row is tough looks like : - 1- Depending how far we're going into this freshen-up I may try and talk the owner into stripping the pad for a better view...

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Carb job looks very nice, great job

Thanks for the engine pad pic. It's likely that there is an "M" after the T, can you spell out all of the characters? some are hard to make out in your pic (A stripped of paint pic would be great!).


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