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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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I have NEVER had good luck with a Holley Carb. on a street ride. Don't know why but there it is. On the Edelbrock/Carter thing I always regulate fuel pressure down to 5 LBS. and run the thick gasket. This is on the old Weber built AFB 625 CFM carbs. If I recall correctly they did not recommend anything over 6 LBS. Never had any issues with hot restarts with that set-up.
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: bee1971]
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I Give You Guys Dyno #s and now 1/4 Mile #s
And Watch , Some will still come on here and say the 1407/1411 is Still The Greatest Thing Since
EPS750 Vs. EPS800 Carburetor & Intake Test - Edelbrock EPS Carburetors: Worth The Time!
EPS 750 vs EPS 800 Comparison
Baseline: 750 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .110 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 97 degrees F., 60 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
RUN 60 Foot 1⁄8 mile 1⁄4 mile mph notes
1 1.89 8.53 13.68 97.62 after one hour cooldown
2 1.90 8.62 13.79 96.98 hot lap
3 1.89 8.58 13.77 97.23 half-hour cooldown
Test: 800 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .113 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 98 degrees F., 54 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
Run 60 Foot 1/8 Mile 1/4 Mile MPH Notes
1 1.86 8.40 13.44 99.89 after one hour cooldown
2 1.87 8.46 13.53 99.21 hot lap
3 1.87 8.44 13.48 99.47 half-hour cool down
drop a 750DP on it and run even faster... 
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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03/13/10 09:14 PM
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I would have to admit that Edelbrocks tech line must be manned by 16 year olds. The boy I talked to didn't really give me much on a resolution to the problem of Hot start issues. I expected some expertise on their product but didn't get that on the call. I talked to our F/M Carter tech line last week and we aren't getting into the carb business anymore so it's basically Eddy's or Holley's, I think. In the old days, you didn't have to take your new carb apart to get it to work on your stock street motor.At least I never did anyhow.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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I bet if you are running an iron intake that it needs more insulation. I run a thin gasket on an aluminum and have no problems. I ran a 3/8 spacer and saw no difference. New was fit to use after I took it all off to try the Holley.  I think I would have to buy another rebuild kit just to get one.
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/14/10 12:00 AM
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I was going to sell that Holley I took off but I'm thinking about just rebuilding it and playing around with that one to do some comparisons with that Edelbrock. All the pro and cons Eddy to Holley carbs has got my curiosity going.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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I Give You Guys Dyno #s and now 1/4 Mile #s
And Watch , Some will still come on here and say the 1407/1411 is Still The Greatest Thing Since
EPS750 Vs. EPS800 Carburetor & Intake Test - Edelbrock EPS Carburetors: Worth The Time!
EPS 750 vs EPS 800 Comparison
Baseline: 750 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .110 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 97 degrees F., 60 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
RUN 60 Foot 1⁄8 mile 1⁄4 mile mph notes
1 1.89 8.53 13.68 97.62 after one hour cooldown
2 1.90 8.62 13.79 96.98 hot lap
3 1.89 8.58 13.77 97.23 half-hour cooldown
Test: 800 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .113 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 98 degrees F., 54 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
Run 60 Foot 1/8 Mile 1/4 Mile MPH Notes
1 1.86 8.40 13.44 99.89 after one hour cooldown
2 1.87 8.46 13.53 99.21 hot lap
3 1.87 8.44 13.48 99.47 half-hour cool down
drop a 750DP on it and run even faster...
You're comparing a #1411 750cfm Eddy which is basically for a gas mileage stock BB motor with a 800cfm Eddy performance carb??? The #1407 WILL run better than the #1411 as it's set up as the performance 750cfm carb. I think on a warmed up SB motor the #1407 is a good choice for the price.
Apples and oranges comparison. Try again please!  I do agree with you that Holley will outperform them at the track but not everyone likes to run a Holley. I ran a 750cfm Holley on a stock 72 Demon 340 I once had and it ran great with it.
I've used Holley, Edelbrock, Carter AFB and Thermoquad and each has it's own advantage in some way.
One other thing is the guys running 600-650cfm carbs on their warmed over smallblocks and 383 motors are giving up alot of top end performance if you ask me. I ran a tweaked #9636 Carter AFB 625 on my old Duster 340/508 cam then switched to a big block 73 440 850cfm TQ. When you stomped the gas pedal at 40-50mph the difference was like night and day. Low end response was the same.
Match the carb for your motor & drivetrain plus your use of the vehicle is the best advice I can give.
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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I Give You Guys Dyno #s and now 1/4 Mile #s
And Watch , Some will still come on here and say the 1407/1411 is Still The Greatest Thing Since
EPS750 Vs. EPS800 Carburetor & Intake Test - Edelbrock EPS Carburetors: Worth The Time!
EPS 750 vs EPS 800 Comparison
Baseline: 750 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .110 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 97 degrees F., 60 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
RUN 60 Foot 1⁄8 mile 1⁄4 mile mph notes
1 1.89 8.53 13.68 97.62 after one hour cooldown
2 1.90 8.62 13.79 96.98 hot lap
3 1.89 8.58 13.77 97.23 half-hour cooldown
Test: 800 Edelbrock Performer, rpm intake; metering rods-.071x.047; jets: .113 primary, .107 secondary. Weather: 98 degrees F., 54 percent humidity, 29.94 barometer. Additional changes: Hoosier slicks 26 x 9
Run 60 Foot 1/8 Mile 1/4 Mile MPH Notes
1 1.86 8.40 13.44 99.89 after one hour cooldown
2 1.87 8.46 13.53 99.21 hot lap
3 1.87 8.44 13.48 99.47 half-hour cool down
drop a 750DP on it and run even faster...
You're comparing a #1411 750cfm Eddy which is basically for a gas mileage stock BB motor with a 800cfm Eddy performance carb??? The #1407 WILL run better than the #1411 as it's set up as the performance 750cfm carb. I think on a warmed up SB motor the #1407 is a good choice for the price.
Apples and oranges comparison. Try again please! I do agree with you that Holley will outperform them at the track but not everyone likes to run a Holley. I ran a 750cfm Holley on a stock 72 Demon 340 I once had and it ran great with it.
I've used Holley, Edelbrock, Carter AFB and Thermoquad and each has it's own advantage in some way.
One other thing is the guys running 600-650cfm carbs on their warmed over smallblocks and 383 motors are giving up alot of top end performance if you ask me. I ran a tweaked #9636 Carter AFB 625 on my old Duster 340/508 cam then switched to a big block 73 440 850cfm TQ. When you stomped the gas pedal at 40-50mph the difference was like night and day. Low end response was the same.
Match the carb for your motor & drivetrain plus your use of the vehicle is the best advice I can give.
The 1411 in that test - If you would have read the arcticle of course
A) Had the Choke Plate Removed - Shaft
B) Had Richer Metering Rods Installed
The 1411 comes from the Factory 2% Leaner then the 1407 - Yawn
So With him changing the Metering Rods to a Richer State in that Test
Apples to Apples , there both Junk
Eddy 800 is far Superior in every way on a BIG BLOCK
And this whole Topic is involved around BIG BLOCKS , Not Small Blocks
Hence the Initial Post !!!
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: bee1971]
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03/14/10 05:33 PM
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Actually I also have the original model Carter AVS that would have come on my 69 Super Bee 383 car that was purchased at a swap meet years ago that is very nice cosmetically but doesn't funtion at all at idle. I've messed around with the floats and seats but nothing else. It was rebuilt when purchased but sat around for about 8 years after that and never installed.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/15/10 11:46 AM
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You referring to an idle stop solenoid? This Carter will not idle hot or cold. You have to be pumping it fuel. I thought it was probably plugged with dirt somewhere and the soak during rebuild just didn't get it all for some reason.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: OldHippie]
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03/18/10 08:10 PM
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I'm going to have to try that pressure regulation idea I think. I'm still struggling with this Edelbrock and hard starting when hot.Darn thing just still acts like it's flooded. I rechecked the fuel pressure and with the line unhooked cranking over I get about 6 psi. I'm thinking of regulating down to 5 or less and see what happens. Trying to rule out the hot soak idea, I've got a phenolic spacer under the carb, wrapped the fuel lines etc...
Still takes cramming the pedal to the floor when it's sat for 15-20minutes to get the car to start. Carb wise I've checked and set the floats and made sure nothing is keeping the check valves from sealing off on the valve seats.Again all this on a brand new carb.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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03/18/10 09:48 PM
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Not the choke flap. It's working right. Been a real mystery to me so far. I am getting real close to rebuilding the Holley I took off just to isolate the carb itself. This sucker is new though.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
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The edelbrock AVS 800 is one of the best carbs out , for a mild big block. That 800 will slap a street avenger silly. Selection depends what you are putting it on. auto or manual makes a big difference. A 4 speed with some gearing, install a 750 DP and forget-about-it.
Volaredon- look into a Q jet , they are a bulletproof carb. After working them, actually can be Great all around.
i gotta agree here,i got an 800 thunder series on my 440,and love it,stomp from a stop it launches,never stumble,never heat issue 
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: meepmeep70]
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03/19/10 06:35 AM
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I know, I'm hard headed. I'm going to try the pressure regulator today.
1968 Barracuda Fastback 318-2BBL 904 2.76 Frost Blue Survivor
1970 Roadrunner 440+6 BBL 727 AT 4.10 SG Dana Blue Fire Metallic
1971 Cuda 340-4 BBL 4spd 3.91 SG Curious Yellow
1972 Barracuda 318-2 BBL 904 AT 3.23 1 Legger Tor Red/White Vinyl Top
2007 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi AT Patriot Blue
2011 Dodge Challenger RT 5.7 Hemi 6spd 392 SG Triple Black
2014 Dodge Charger RT Max AWD 5.7 Hemi AT 305 Billet Silver
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: TimS]
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03/19/10 10:41 AM
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Not the choke flap. It's working right. Been a real mystery to me so far. I am getting real close to rebuilding the Holley I took off just to isolate the carb itself. This sucker is new though.
shoot by now yuo could have rebuilt the holley and been rolling... good luck
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Re: New Edelbrock Carb Issues.
[Re: TimS]
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03/19/10 10:24 PM
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You referring to an idle stop solenoid? This Carter will not idle hot or cold. You have to be pumping it fuel. I thought it was probably plugged with dirt somewhere and the soak during rebuild just didn't get it all for some reason.
No, look on an exploded view. The compensator is a little air valve that opens when the temp comes up, a controlled vacum leak. Sits between the secondaries.
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