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Ghost, you said it well man.

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my only regret is that i now single handedly raised the price of a 413 from scrap value to $1000 for a bare block LOL!
i might add though that if this topic was about the 413 MAXI engine. this whole conversasion would have taking a drastically different direction. plus looks at all these stroker smallblock engines. 4.12" or 4.18" bores with 4" & 4.25" strokes. are these nay sayers gonna deny that those engines are not worth building either?

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You know it's funny how some people are quick
to say things about the "outdated/offbeat mills"
but they all of a sudden become stroker experts
on the same mills they "trash on" in this forum.
Ironic, isn't it. Hey "Ghost", thanks for staying
true to the cause.

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This is supposed to about engines, not people, stay OT please. Some might interpet your reply as a baiting comment, I will not quote it to allow an edit, should you reconsider

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And the OP asks "Are 413 Engines really all that special?" In my opinion, no. There is nothing about them that puts them in any sort of special class, like max-wedge, hemis, 6-pack engines etc.
As far as mopar engines go, they are pretty "average" by most metrics.
Thats not to say they aren't a great engine--most mopar engines are!
But "really all that special" ??? No

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These guys are right that the 440 is a better choice to build on the basis that the aftermarket offers more stuff for it.

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If you mean pistons when you say "Stuff" you are correct, otherwise EVERY other aftermarket part made and sold as a "440" part today will also fit 413's equally.

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Yes, Scott, by "stuff" I meant pistons. Thank you Mr. Obvious! As for the other comments made on this thread, I can't help but notice that most people commenting on this are looking at the 413 in the drag racing world. It all comes down to application. In a naturally aspirated drag car, sure, a 440 is a better choice overall because of its displacement and aftermarket piston availability. But overall, a 413 is no more or less special that a 440 4bbl. Both are big, both make good torque numbers, but the 440 is more popular. And we all know that just because something is popular, it doesn't necessarily make it better. Look at Chevys. They're popular, but that doesn't mean they're better. Some engines are better than others depending on application and vehicle. And we all know too well that it takes a whole combination and not just the engine to make a vehicle great for its intended use.

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And the OP asks "Are 413 Engines really all that special?" In my opinion, no. There is nothing about them that puts them in any sort of special class, like max-wedge, hemis, 6-pack engines etc.
As far as mopar engines go, they are pretty "average" by most metrics.
Thats not to say they aren't a great engine--most mopar engines are!
But "really all that special" ??? No

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And the OP asks "Are 413 Engines really all that special?" In my opinion, no. There is nothing about them that puts them in any sort of special class, like max-wedge, hemis, 6-pack engines etc.
As far as mopar engines go, they are pretty "average" by most metrics.
Thats not to say they aren't a great engine--most mopar engines are!
But "really all that special" ??? No

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I seem to remember that the first Max-Wedge engine that you say are in a special class were what, Oh yes they were 413's.

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Go back to the original post--are we talking about a max-wdege engine here? Didn't think so!

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And the OP asks "Are 413 Engines really all that special?" In my opinion, no. There is nothing about them that puts them in any sort of special class, like max-wedge, hemis, 6-pack engines etc.
As far as mopar engines go, they are pretty "average" by most metrics.
Thats not to say they aren't a great engine--most mopar engines are!
But "really all that special" ??? No

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I seem to remember that the first Max-Wedge engine that you say are in a special class were what, Oh yes they were 413's.

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Go back to the original post--are we talking about a max-wdege engine here? Didn't think so!

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Nope,we threw in everything but the slant six.Let's introduce the Hyper Pack.

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Hey, Max Wedge, Long Ram, Short Ram......Like it or not they are all examples of 413's.

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if only all 413's were like that then they would be special indeed!

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The 413 the beach boys were refering to was the max wedge not an average 413

The average 413 is nothing special, I always think it is funny when you see a Cl add for a "rare 413" from a motor home for $4000.

The 440 is more popular because it will make more TQ in an otherwise equally built motor, no rocket science there Sure the 413 had awesome TQ numbers from the factory but build a 440 with the exact same heads intake cam carb... and it will for a fact make more TQ and equal or greater HP.

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exactly...what was different between all the 413s?

heads,cam,intakes...correct?

I will run one if I ever come across a "used" one,put it to work like it was built for in a truck to pull my hotrods around.

I gotta think a 413 would do something if it was tuned right,may not be the fastest around on the street...but I bet they would be chasin after it to get in front

or just put it in the mud truck and use the torque

to many opions out there to keep beating the horse,its not getting up

that we dis-iagree

I run anything mopar fellas,beets driveing brand x at any time

those 413s can bait them up and the 440s can shut them down...lets work together here

run what ya brung

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