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F 440 HP Damper & Rods #62087 05/23/08 11:41 AM 05/23/08 11:41 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	I am trying to build an F440 HP 4BBL (assembled Trenton MI plant 8/12/69) as close to stock as I can. I have a conflict between sources as to when in the '70 model year Mother Mopar went to externally balanced 440 4BBL's with the six pack rods, balancer and flywheel/converter vs internal balanced. If you have a 1970 F440 HP 4BBL (U code or E86 Option) with the original unmolested engine let me know the assembly date of your engine and if you have the six pack rods/balancer (eccentric weight)or a neutral balanced balancer. I walked around the Mopar show at Englishtown this weekend and saw a mixed bag, some internal balanced, some external. The pattern looks like early F440HP's are internal and they didn't go external until the October '69 engine builds.

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods #62088 05/23/08 03:13 PM 05/23/08 03:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada B Barnabas_Kriss master
Barnabas_Kriss master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada	I have one in my U-code challenger. Assembly date of engine is Sept 5, 1969. It has the six pack rods with external balance. Engine was untouched before I rebuilt it.

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods #62089 05/23/08 04:33 PM 05/23/08 04:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,747 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,747 Rio Linda, CA	The factory parts manual shows the heavy rod in all '70-'71 440 HP with no date limits. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: John_Kunkel] #62090 05/23/08 05:44 PM 05/23/08 05:44 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	FWIW my December 1969 6-Pack motor had the "six pack" rods and damper (which of course were used in all HP motors so the 6-Pack moniker is misleading) I'd LOVE if someone could prove that some 1970 Cars got HP motors with LY's 'cause then I could use the lighter rods and still be PS legal. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: DPelletier] #62091 05/24/08 07:43 AM 05/24/08 07:43 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A.	Quote: FWIW my December 1969 6-Pack motor had the "six pack" rods and damper (which of course were used in all HP motors so the 6-Pack moniker is misleading) I'd LOVE if someone could prove that some 1970 Cars got HP motors with LY's 'cause then I could use the lighter rods and still be PS legal. Dave are you going to certify the car ?

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: JohnRR] #62092 05/24/08 01:23 PM 05/24/08 01:23 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	I am not sure what "certify" means. I intend on taking it to Carlisle and the Nationals next year and have it judged.

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: Barnabas_Kriss] #62093 05/24/08 01:37 PM 05/24/08 01:37 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	My E86 Challenger is an automatic. It came with a blue 383 under the hood and the original 440 long gone. I found the right date 440 HP Block, bought reconditioned six pack rods and the correct weighted torque converter (rebuilt). I am going to go with SRP 30 over pistons. I figured it would be easier to balance this non matching assembly with a virgin crank rather than than one that has already been cut or filled so I bought a new Eagle forged crank. I am thinking to balance the collection of new parts and be able to run it on an engine dyno I need to use a six pack flywheel (can't spin the torque converter without the trans) to maintain the correct weight offset from the torque converter. Does this sound reasonable?

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: JohnRR] #62094 05/26/08 12:04 PM 05/26/08 12:04 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: Quote: FWIW my December 1969 6-Pack motor had the "six pack" rods and damper (which of course were used in all HP motors so the 6-Pack moniker is misleading) I'd LOVE if someone could prove that some 1970 Cars got HP motors with LY's 'cause then I could use the lighter rods and still be PS legal. Dave are you going to certify the car ? Probably not, and nobody would likely care 'cause I'll probably be a full second behind the leaders, but I would know. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods #62095 05/26/08 12:16 PM 05/26/08 12:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,470 renton, Washington ph23vo I Live Here
ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,470 renton, Washington	should be heavy rods ...could you post the vin off your block? my orig engine was lost in your area.. also whats the SPD of your car? later dan

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: ph23vo] #62096 05/26/08 12:33 PM 05/26/08 12:33 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 329 tx C craigsmytcudas enthusiast
craigsmytcudas enthusiast C Joined: May 2008 Posts: 329 tx	you guys do know if your k member has a skid plate you will have a 6 qt pan that was part of the heavy rod motors package .mopar did not build on the by gosh by golly program that means no plate no rods

Re: F 440 HP Damper & Rods [Re: craigsmytcudas] #62097 05/26/08 12:37 PM 05/26/08 12:37 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada D DPelletier I Live Here
DPelletier I Live Here D Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 15,134 Kelowna, B.C. Canada	Quote: you guys do know if your k member has a skid plate you will have a 6 qt pan that was part of the heavy rod motors package .mopar did not build on the by gosh by golly program that means no plate no rods Nope. The original K-frame in my original motor, V-code car had no skid plate. Dave 1970 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 1974 'Cuda 2008 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Ram 3500 Diesel 2004.5 Ram 2500 Diesel 2003 Ram 3500 Diesel 2006 Durango Limited [url] http://1970superbee.piczo.com [/url]

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