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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614702
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Whats the cam specs? I havent seen to many solid rollers want to be advanced to a 104 ICL. Unless its been ground on a 106 or something....
Do you care to post the cam specs.


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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: Bob_Coomer] #614703
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Also note that every time you change the crank sprocket key way you have also changed TDC postions so TDC would need to be found again.


But remember about moving the crank keys..you gotta find the new TDC again, a bunch of people dont, its not worth the trouble of doing it then IMO.





You got me baffled here , maybe i'm missing the point somewhere (most of the time ) , but why would moving the crank sprocket loose TDC? , these multi keyed sprockets are meant to be moved around to help aid in degreeing the cam , just asking.


Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614704
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i verified tdc with piston stop then rotated cam gear 1 tooth counterclockwise 133* oops went wrong way,back through the whole process again went the other way clockwise 1 tooth from original postion came up with 147.5+66.5=214/2=107 ,i am getting close,cam is recommended to be installed at 104* i have some keyways on the cam gear i can move to try to get the other 3*,how close do you want it to be?looks like timing mark on the cam is marked 1 tooth off,marks are not inline.




Thats why I said 1 tooth and 3 degrees in the earlier
post... you moved it the 1 tooth and now you need to
move it 3 more degrees on the sprocket .... isnt
it fun

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: MR_P_BODY] #614705
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so mr p. if he moved it 1 more teeth it would be where he wants it right....or do you have to use the off set keys.....

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: earthmover] #614706
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so mr p. if he moved it 1 more teeth it would be where he wants it right....or do you have to use the off set keys.....




One more tooth would be wayyyyy to much , moving the crank sprocket around should get the job done.


Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: earthmover] #614707
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so mr p. if he moved it 1 more teeth it would be where he wants it right....or do you have to use the off set keys.....




No he has a sprocket that has 1, 2, or 3 degrees on
it, if you move 1 tooth on the chain (sprocket) it will
move it 13 degrees(might be 12)

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: MR_P_BODY] #614708
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the multi keys are on the cam gear not the crank gear.its a pro gear set 7 keyways on cam.mr pbody u hit it on the money,i will try the 3*advance on the cam gear and see what happens,cam is herbert billet solid roller part#ce6k, 246/254@.050 .585/.600 lift 108* lobe seperation,they recommend to install it to 104* ,they said it has 4*ground into it.motor is going into 88 dakota 3360#, motor is 418 9.6;1 compression street/strip,full ported polished x-heads flow 270@.600/172@.600,weiand x-celerator intake. 727 reverse pattern valve body,trans is ptc 4400 flash converter,3.91 gears.thanks mike

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614709
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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614710
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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: MR_P_BODY] #614711
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does the 104* installed centerline seem right for this cam and my build?thanks again mike

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614712
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does the 104* installed centerline seem right for this cam and my build?thanks again mike




Does to me if you need the torque(which most guys
need) in a small block... specially in a stock stroke

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: MR_P_BODY] #614713
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You say you have no cam card?

These are the valve events @ .050" 4* advanced.

Intake opens-- 19* BTDC
Intake closes-- 47* ABDC
Exhaust opens-- 59* BBDC
Exhaust closes-- 15* ATDC

You can varify this along with installed ICL.


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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614714
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does the 104* installed centerline seem right for this cam and my build?thanks again mike




Yep, with your 9.6 comp and 3400# 246*@ .050 Id want the ICL around 104* to 102* if intake valve clearence allows.

602,s Valve events are correct at a 104 ICL. How does he do that. mike

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: Sport440] #614715
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how do i go about checking the above cam measurements?will they fall into place once i get the cam at 104*icl?thanks again for any help. mike

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614716
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how do i go about checking the above cam measurements?will they fall into place once i get the cam at 104*icl?thanks again for any help. mike




With the degree wheel installed just like you did the
cam C/L just start rotating the crank and check the
points where the valve is then read the wheel...
but you will need to move the dial indicator to
the exhaust lobe when reading the exhaust events


These are the valve events @ .050" 4* advanced.

Intake opens-- 19* BTDC
Intake closes-- 47* ABDC
Exhaust opens-- 59* BBDC
Exhaust closes-- 15* ATDC

You can varify this along with installed ICL.

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: MR_P_BODY] #614717
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ok im finally at icl 103.5*,i double checked it many times it comes up icl 103.5*,what i ended up doing was moving cam gear one tooth from original dot and using the 1* cam gear advance keyway slot.i will go and check the other cam timing events now thanks to everybody that helped,i now know why my 340 from yrs ago was sluggish i never checked the icl just lined the dots up,iwould bet it was retarded,next step is to get the head work done for this 418 stroker,its been a slow project ,thanks again mike

Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: hp340nos] #614718
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you will not believe the difference! way to stick with it!


for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: maximum entropy] #614719
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when checking cam events,i find tdc with piston stop,0 the degree wheel,now set-up the indicator.now do i find max lift say on the intake,then read the readings on the degree wheel?at what lift do i read the wheel?my wheel is moroso 11" marked 0-180 then 180 back to 0.

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when checking cam events,i find tdc with piston stop,0 the degree wheel,now set-up the indicator.now do i find max lift say on the intake,then read the readings on the degree wheel?at what lift do i read the wheel?my wheel is moroso 11" marked 0-180 then 180 back to 0.




Varify TDC with piston stop & zero degree wheel ,turn motor over & zero dial indicator when #1 intake lifter is on base circle of lobe , continue to rotate motor & stop when dial indicator measures .050" lift , if you shoot past just back the crank up (.100") , read degree wheel which should show valve event @ 19.5* before top dead centre , continue to turn the motor & read off degree wheel @ full lift (103.5* ATDC)) , continue to turn motor & read off degree wheel when lifter is .050" before seated (46.5* ABDC) , if all works out you're good to go.



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Re: 1st timedegreeing cam?cam is at 120 what did i do wrong [Re: 602heavy] #614721
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my degree wheel has intake open/intake closed marked in red as well as exhaust open/closed marked.its also marked 0-180 then180-0.how do i know where btdc ,atdc etc are should i just watch the piston movement,thanks mike

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