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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: jim sciortino]
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Almost unwatchable.....except for the few minutes of prostock. Unless of course you happen to be in love with the whole Force thing.
The coverage is geared towards automotive simpletons.
If it weren't for the NHRA there would be no drag racing. Think about that before crapping on them.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: BobR]
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02/15/10 10:22 AM
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I went channel surfing every time Hight pulled into the burnout box last year in the final race.
BobR; I respect your opinion but "Who made Who?"
Yeah, it's got a smallblock.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: jim sciortino]
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Almost unwatchable.....except for the few minutes of prostock. Unless of course you happen to be in love with the whole Force thing.
The coverage is geared towards automotive simpletons.
I got a little.... maybe more than a little fed up about all
the hype of the Force and Force run... they act as if
John pays the pay checks to them personally... dont
get me wrong John Force was one of the best things
for drag racing but come on... they have gone WAY
TO FAR with the Force team SHOW........ JMO
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[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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I guess I have gotten used to the whole 24/7 Force coverage thing because it didn't bother me as much as it used to.
I actually was happy to see the old man win one for once.
Edwards driving right around Anderson in the PS final after he treed him was a highlight too lol.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: moparacer]
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I guess I have gotten used to the whole 24/7 Force coverage thing because it didn't bother me as much as it used to.
I actually was happy to see the old man win one for once.
Edwards driving right around Anderson in the PS final after he treed him was a highlight too lol.
Yeah if Edwards cuts anywhere near a decent light
I dont see anyone touching him.... for a while...
he is making some serious power
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Almost unwatchable.....except for the few minutes of prostock. Unless of course you happen to be in love with the whole Force thing.
The coverage is geared towards automotive simpletons.
I got a little.... maybe more than a little fed up about all
the hype of the Force and Force run... they act as if
John pays the pay checks to them personally... dont
get me wrong John Force was one of the best things
for drag racing but come on... they have gone WAY
TO FAR with the Force team SHOW........ JMO
yeah  .... I flipped to the Speed Channel every time they started that same old worn out crap. 
ESPN should rename it the JF Family Hour 
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: BobR]
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Almost unwatchable.....except for the few minutes of prostock. Unless of course you happen to be in love with the whole Force thing.
The coverage is geared towards automotive simpletons.
If it weren't for the NHRA there would be no drag racing. Think about that before crapping on them.
Twenty years ago I would agree with you. After racing under Gardner and now the ex dog food salesman I don't. If Compton can figure out how to cash out NHRA without the state of CA getting the money, he will do it. He has already tried once.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: BobR]
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I saw a lot of empty seats especialy on the spectator side. Yes NHRA did a lot of great things in the past and makes it possible for most of us to race. But the last couple of years the mgmt has made a lot of bad decisions and they are in it for the $$$ losing sight of what is the backbone of the sport , bracket racers and sportsman racers. They are after the " Big Show , Big $$$" which is losing its appeal rapidly. Stars are leaving the sport and how long can they continue to survive and appeal to the fan carrying on about the Forces and the Dixon/ Schumacher rivalry? They refuse to believe that there is anything wrong with the economy and have done nothing to easen the financial burden on the sportsman/bracket racer, to make more money to line their pockets they double fees and raise ticket prices and entry fees.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: BobR]
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02/15/10 02:16 PM
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Almost unwatchable.....except for the few minutes of prostock. Unless of course you happen to be in love with the whole Force thing.
The coverage is geared towards automotive simpletons.
If it weren't for the NHRA there would be no drag racing. Think about that before crapping on them.
Sure there would.
Rt.25 is right down the street from me....
Dead flat, 3 lanes of concrete, with shoulders, limited on/off ramps, hardly any traffic at night. Just perfect.
If NHRA folded today, I wouldn't lose a seconds sleep.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: cgall]
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02/15/10 02:57 PM
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If you watch the 1000 ft. video from the weekend, most of the drivers are still not pulling the chutes until after the 1/4 mile. On long tracks like Pomona, the fuel cars hardly even need the chutes. Arend and Capps both had the chutes not blossom fully, and easily made the turn.
The 1000 ft. racing is crap. Many cars are blowing up, crossing the centerline, etc. on the shorter track. And the grandstand past the 1000 ft. yesterday was completely empty.
Pomona's shut down is shorter than National Trails..then past the sand there is a nice guard rail and then the road, plus a couple of those guys took the corner way to fast.. 
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: 11secdart]
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02/15/10 03:03 PM
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I saw a lot of empty seats especialy on the spectator side.
I have not seen a recent ESPN coverage but I remember from even BEFORE the most recent "meltdown" .... like at Rt66 .... ESPN would AVOID areas of the stands that were deserted.
NHRA has priced-themselves OUT OF THE MARKET for many people.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
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I agree with the 'cameras not showing crowd count'
that is the same thing NASCAR does when the spectators are absent. They both know the economy is in the gutter but seem to believe that there are people watching on TV that don't know it! They always announce "Sell Out Crowd" "Standing Room Only" etc. I know for a fact that there were around 30,000 empty seats at Bristol (of ALL places) recently! Daytona appeared to have a decent crowd. First race of season? NHRA...not so good. NHRA will start taking a GOOD look at NOSTALGIA racing before long! Any bets?
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: CHAPPER]
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02/15/10 03:41 PM
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NHRA will start taking a GOOD look at NOSTALGIA racing before long! Any bets?
I was there on Saturday and right after the pros ran the Nostalgia funny cars were up, and sadly the fans left the stands in droves..... so not sure Nostalgia will save them (NHRA) either. I'm 63 so stayed for every minute of the Nostalgia car runs. Sure would have enjoyed seeing the Hawaiian car run plus several others that were there.
My other complaint at the event was that the speaker system was horrible! Jack in the box makes a better system. We couldn't understand a word that was said.......
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Crizila]
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Bob R,
You're dead-on my friend, but many of our compadres can't see the forrest for the trees.
1000 ft. Racing: The facilities can't handle the speeds the fuel cars are capable of.. PERIOD!!! END OF STATEMENT!!
320 at a 1000ft..these cars are simply unbelievable, the most incredible machines anywhere. The problem is they are too expensive to build, too expensive to maintain, and too expensive to race in this economic climate. But the spoiled rotten, crybaby NHRA Nitro Fan, says "Turn them loose, let them run 350 to the 1/4, build better facilities, to contain them, and by the way I want a perfect seat for 20$".
Sponsors: sponsors/advertisers are leaving all kinds of sports, not just motorsports, Golf, football, basketball,..all of them are scrambling to replace lost revenue right now.
The only way NHRA and drag racing is going to continue is to try and reduce the cost of competing, and I'm not talking entry fees or licensing, I'm talking rules such as the "no exotic materials" rule in Pro Stock. The fuel cars need limits on fuel pumps and mags similar to the nostalgia cars..WE MUST GO BACKWARDS on performance in an attempt to limit cost so guys like McMillen, Bodie, Tuttle, the Pedregons, Hartleys, can continue to survive in this sport.
Facilities: many of the top notch, world class facilities that we attend to watch or race Pinks All Out, PSCA heads up, Summit bracket racing, our favorite all-Mopar event etc. would dissapear if the NHRA Full Throttle National Event Series fails. They count on this once or twice a year cash cow to keep the gates open and stay solvent!!!
The current economic situation has me on the sidelines, and unable to compete at NHRA Nationals, and Divisionals this season...I hope when I am able to return and support them that I still have a place to race!!
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks"
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: MoparBilly]
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02/15/10 11:41 PM
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NHRA and IHRA are turning their backs on the trditional drag fan(one that know's the sport inside and out, would spend the weekend sleeping on a pile of rocks just to be there) and are looking for the "fan" that wants to go to the races then stop for a quick meal on the way to the movies. No Die Hards welcome...they are trying to dumb it down to the simpelest observer, problem is with this economy the simple observer can only afford the movies...
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: 10 o to go]
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02/16/10 12:54 AM
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saw this on another website . 
I don't usually get involved in NHRA "political" discussions, but feel the points on this sign need a counterpoint:
1/4 MILE-LESS: We're also Scott Kallita-less. Where's that on their sign? I DO NOT agree with the choice of how to slow the fuel cars down (HELLO NHRA: Single mags and single pumps!!) but they reacted to a serious situation the quickest way they knew how. I have attended four National Events since the 1000' foot deal and I hear WAY more gripes about having to sit through the sportsman classes that are 1/4 mile. I understand tradition, but those guys beating on the traditional band wagon, shouldn't support their local 1/8 mile track either, right?
US SMOKELESS-LESS: THIS is what killed that deal: http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-trade/food-stores/4486530-1.html Guess what? That's the same reason we're WINSTON-LESS!
BUD-LESS: Don't blame NHRA. Blame the IDIOTS at InBev. ALL sponsorships have been reduced; the NASCAR program was cut 20%. They offered KB a deal, but it was quite a bit less than the current contract. While other guys are taking LESS from the sponsors to keep their "deals" and pulling the balance from their own pockets, KB wasn't going to do that. I used to be a AB vendor. InBev came to me and said they were reducing my rates about 15% across the board. My reply was...let's just say we're not doing business together anymore.
SNAKE-LESS. Now that's a darn shame. But see the US SMOKELESS-LESS paragraph. Did NHRA do all they could to help him? Probably not; they have their own issues. But for a company not to step up and back the Snake and a very marketable driver baffles me. Snake said it: He wanted enough to run a 1st class team and contend for the championship and it wasn't there. Tells me he probably was offered deals, but for far less than he's worth...can't blame him
MEMPHIS-LESS: The balance sheet of a NHRA (or ANY track for that matter) is up to the track, itself. They weren't making it on the balance sheet and it's toast. Just like ANY company. NHRA hosted a National Event there, how is their demise NHRA's fault?
NHRA doesn't care about that sign, those 2 morons PAID to get in!! THAT is clue-less!!
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: chryco]
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I saw a lot of empty seats especialy on the spectator side. Yes NHRA did a lot of great things in the past and makes it possible for most of us to race. But the last couple of years the mgmt has made a lot of bad decisions and they are in it for the $$$ losing sight of what is the backbone of the sport , bracket racers and sportsman racers. They are after the " Big Show , Big $$$" which is losing its appeal rapidly. Stars are leaving the sport and how long can they continue to survive and appeal to the fan carrying on about the Forces and the Dixon/ Schumacher rivalry? They refuse to believe that there is anything wrong with the economy and have done nothing to easen the financial burden on the sportsman/bracket racer, to make more money to line their pockets they double fees and raise ticket prices and entry fees.
One thing that grinds my gears is the completely inane process of making my perfectly good safety equipment obsolete when there`s NOTHING wrong with it . This policy might be great for big time racers , not the little guy who just likes to get out with his / her car when time permits.
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agree 100% .
Just another way for NHRA to financially rape the racers that support them. The SFI is also getting a cut of that.
I had to buy belts last year. My "old" ones were in MINT / PRISTINE condition.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: B Dartman]
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02/16/10 10:59 AM
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On long tracks like Pomona, the fuel cars hardly even need the chutes
Pomona is practically the shortest track on the circuit.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: MoparBilly]
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02/16/10 11:01 AM
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Bob R,
You're dead-on my friend, but many of our compadres can't see the forrest for the trees.
1000 ft. Racing: The facilities can't handle the speeds the fuel cars are capable of.. PERIOD!!! END OF STATEMENT!!
320 at a 1000ft..these cars are simply unbelievable, the most incredible machines anywhere. The problem is they are too expensive to build, too expensive to maintain, and too expensive to race in this economic climate. But the spoiled rotten, crybaby NHRA Nitro Fan, says "Turn them loose, let them run 350 to the 1/4, build better facilities, to contain them, and by the way I want a perfect seat for 20$".
Sponsors: sponsors/advertisers are leaving all kinds of sports, not just motorsports, Golf, football, basketball,..all of them are scrambling to replace lost revenue right now.
The only way NHRA and drag racing is going to continue is to try and reduce the cost of competing, and I'm not talking entry fees or licensing, I'm talking rules such as the "no exotic materials" rule in Pro Stock. The fuel cars need limits on fuel pumps and mags similar to the nostalgia cars..WE MUST GO BACKWARDS on performance in an attempt to limit cost so guys like McMillen, Bodie, Tuttle, the Pedregons, Hartleys, can continue to survive in this sport.
Facilities: many of the top notch, world class facilities that we attend to watch or race Pinks All Out, PSCA heads up, Summit bracket racing, our favorite all-Mopar event etc. would dissapear if the NHRA Full Throttle National Event Series fails. They count on this once or twice a year cash cow to keep the gates open and stay solvent!!!
The current economic situation has me on the sidelines, and unable to compete at NHRA Nationals, and Divisionals this season...I hope when I am able to return and support them that I still have a place to race!!
And you, Mopar Billy, are exactly right. I've got NOTHING to add.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: B Dartman]
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Drag racing used to be about drag racing. Now it's about entertainment / personalities, cause that's where the $ is. Look what's on TV these days. That should give you a clue as to where NHRA has headed. Again, all about the $. One event during the entire year packs the stands at my home track. The wheel standing championship - and the big ink goes to the guy that flips over.  The big draw has nothing to do with drag racing and the people in the stands - they ain't drag racers. The track owners don't care as long as the stands are full - again, all about the $. Very few people that go to the track these days are impressed with a slant 6 in a dart running in the mid 12's. They can't relate.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
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Fell asleep by the semis
Funny thing is I couldn`t wait for the start of the season and then half way through the first race of the year I fell asleep too. Either I was real tired or very bored.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: mopars4ever]
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Fell asleep by the semis
Funny thing is I couldn`t wait for the start of the season and then half way through the first race of the year I fell asleep too. Either I was real tired or very bored.
What....you didn't like all the worthless non-tech bits about the nitro classes while prostock was running???
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Guess there has to be a happy medium between grass roots racing ( the way it was initially intended ) and entertainment racing. Just feel that the grass roots racers are having to flip more and more of the entertainment bill - and getting less and less for it. A good example is Rt66. Beautiful complex. I went to the inaugural race in 99. Got a chance to listen to the complex management talk one evening the following year. The speach was all about the $ and what ever the racers / spectators could bear. The guy was for real - and he really turned me off. Never raced there. Don't intend to. Last time I checked, a bottle of water ( which you can't bring in any more - for safety reasons ??? ) was $3.50! BTW, you are allowed to make 3 passes ( T+T )- max! If it's busy, they cut that to two!
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
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In reading all of the defense of NHRA, i'm not sure how I'm going to start this. I raced my first race in 1960. NHRA was started, on the West Coast, by Mr. Wally Parks in an effort to make drag racing safer. They celebrated the 50th Anniversary of the Winter Nationals at Pomona and the only mention of Wally Parks was a small brief mention in talking about the Nostalgia coral. Before everyone gets defensive, I spoke with my old Division Director yesterday and we talked about the lack of credit to Wally. Went home and watch the show, twice, again last night. There was no crowd at the Winter Nationals. Re-watch the TV coverage, go to Competition Plus look at the photos, Class Racer look at the photos, and others. Average "Joe" can not go to an NHRA event at the current prices. Before everyone gets defensive, I attended the race at Z-max last year,as a spectator. Admission ticket for one day is $55 go get a hotdog, french fies and a drink $23. Now all this said, hopefully you ate breakfast before you got into the track and that the race ends before supper time. Hopefully you like to go to the races alone other wise if it is you, your wife and grandkid then the prices go three times. Yes, children have to pay also,and they will want more than one hot dog. Heaven, an First Bank of America, help you if you have a old super stock car and want to race NHRA. First of all, you "can not" race at a National Event unless you are a Past Champion or in the case of Division 2, you have traveled all over the country, no races in our state, paid your travel expenses, entry fees $250, insurance fees, bought all of the latest safety equipment to go run at several division races to accumulate "Grade Points" then you have a chance to apply to race. The opinion of a 60+ year old drag racer who still enjoys a week-end out to the racing with his Wife, Children and Grandchildren, $$John Force and Don Schumacher$$ and the executives who got free passes, will be all that is left to race NHRA. IHRA is changing their format with a little more respect to the racers that got them here. Talk to some people who have already raced under the new program. Go on Class Racers Stock and Super Stock and hear the experiences. AHRA is coming back. AHRA was really prior to IHRA. Forgive me but, ADRA and Pinks All Out are giving the people what they want to see and at an affordable price. Pinks All Out two day show entry fee for 2 days $60. Spectators $25-$30 and children free, just get them a seat ticket. Park your race car in the pits race all day, pitch your tent beside your car, fire up the charcoal grill and its a community party. Family and friends all together. 
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
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I agree with the 'cameras not showing crowd count'
that is the same thing NASCAR does when the spectators are absent. They both know the economy is in the gutter but seem to believe that there are people watching on TV that don't know it! They always announce "Sell Out Crowd" "Standing Room Only" etc. I know for a fact that there were around 30,000 empty seats at Bristol (of ALL places) recently! Daytona appeared to have a decent crowd. First race of season? NHRA...not so good. NHRA will start taking a GOOD look at NOSTALGIA racing before long! Any bets?
NHRA already has a Nostalgia series...it's called the Heritage series and kicks off at the March Meet at Famoso in Bakersfield.....after the March Meet the series is a joke...lest year in Phoneix they had something like 72 cars total at the race vs 500+ plus entered for the March Meet...NHRA is a JOKE all around. I havent been a member for 5 years now and wont EVER be one again... I'll stick to the March Meet every year because its one heck of a party...and I'll keep supporting a true nostalgia series like the ANRA...Butch Hedrick has the plan.... www.anra.com 
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: MoparPitBull]
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02/16/10 11:32 PM
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Like John Force or not, his car was on. It was like a bracket car running 4.12.
The old man even had some decent lights.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Wile1coyote]
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02/17/10 12:25 AM
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I attended the race, flew out from Detroit to be there. Was certainly glad I did, it was historic, it was fun, it was warm and I had a great time. It was not cheap however. Was at the track every day and numbers certainly increased each day but I would have to agree they were not full on Sunday, prob 90% though and in this economy that is saying lots. Some of what you prob saw on TV is that the West side of the track is a PITA to get to and some people didn't want to make the trek. The souveneir tents were doing a brisk bizness, the drivers all had swarms around them in the pits and I had to wait in line a number of times for chow so they are doing OK crowd wise.
The area set up with the older slingshots and such was sweet but it was even better seeing the Nostalgia funny cars run.
Well...at the March Meet...they will be running a 32...YES....32 car Nostalgia Funny car field in eliminations...INSANE !!!!!!!
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: mopar376d]
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02/17/10 12:36 AM
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Like John Force or not, his car was on. It was like a bracket car running 4.12.
The old man even had some decent lights.
 I'm still fuming at NHRA for allowing fuel cars to have ford, chevy or toyota sponsors and run cloned Chrysler Hemi motors. yeah I know..$$$$
John Force? It's not about liking the man. It's about giving equal coverage to all the other teams that work hard and spend millions to make the sport what it is.
It gets tiring watching interviews of fuel car drivers while they are running Pro/Stock. They can waste time showing a fuel car engine tear down but they can't give Pro/Stock it's due?
..and how about spending more time with the teams that are new or have smaller budgets but still manage to try and qualify? I'm sure their sponsors would love it.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/17/10 12:58 AM
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Racing is racing, it changes. It went form the beach to the track in Daytona. Cars get faster, rules change. deal with it. There are still plenty of classes you can race in. If you are strickly talking about TV coverage and only showing the top 3-4 catagories what would you like them to do? The have to edit it down into a managable time period. Not a lot of people can sit thru and watch a complete NHRA day. At the end of the day it's still guys and gals in cars w/ big enigines going really fast. It takes a lot of skill to pedal those cars down the 1/4 mile or 1000 feet as it stands. The fact that JF is on all the time is becasue maybe he's the kookiest guy in the pits. He always has too much too say it's an easy interview. As for the lack of Dodges, it's an effect of the current economy and the lack of any real product to race. Don't like it watch poker or girls soccer....
Do you guys get coverage of 3 or 4 catagories?? here in Australia we get coverage for one catorgry only, our fuelers, top slammas, our pro stocks & nitro bikes, thats prety much it, zero sportsman racing yet as we have the biggist feilds at any meeting & we are charged a fee for the tv coverage weather like it or not but never get to see our classes racing or hear any results,
you guys seem to have it pretty good
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: SG duster]
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02/17/10 09:49 AM
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Racing is racing, it changes. It went form the beach to the track in Daytona. Cars get faster, rules change. deal with it. There are still plenty of classes you can race in. If you are strickly talking about TV coverage and only showing the top 3-4 catagories what would you like them to do? The have to edit it down into a managable time period. Not a lot of people can sit thru and watch a complete NHRA day. At the end of the day it's still guys and gals in cars w/ big enigines going really fast. It takes a lot of skill to pedal those cars down the 1/4 mile or 1000 feet as it stands. The fact that JF is on all the time is becasue maybe he's the kookiest guy in the pits. He always has too much too say it's an easy interview. As for the lack of Dodges, it's an effect of the current economy and the lack of any real product to race. Don't like it watch poker or girls soccer....
Do you guys get coverage of 3 or 4 catagories?? here in Australia we get coverage for one catorgry only, our fuelers, top slammas, our pro stocks & nitro bikes, thats prety much it, zero sportsman racing yet as we have the biggist feilds at any meeting & we are charged a fee for the tv coverage weather like it or not but never get to see our classes racing or hear any results,
you guys seem to have it pretty good
They show T/F dragster, T/F funny car, Pro Stock and sometimes they toss in Pro Bike. Usually tape delay so they can edit out all the track clean up and compress it into a 2 hour window.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/17/10 10:07 AM
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Wow 2 pages of comments on a sign . I've raced AHRA,IHRA,NHRA since the mid 70s . I remember when I could race my car 12sec at the national events .They would use us as filler and give us a bracket program to race in. Sometimes i wonder if the pro classes are paid like a retainer contract to perform show up . Like some have said the passion to race would be to load up and follow the circus . I believe the most spectators aren't the weekend racers and couldn't grasp that part . Thier has be drama in NHRA and NASCAR ,thier like a realality show . don
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
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02/17/10 10:38 AM
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The Pros don`t pay to enter National events and crewmembers don`t either. Yet the sportsman racers ( Stk, S/S. S/G etc) have to pay several hundred dollars to enter each event and pay extra for crewmembers. and they use that money as prize money for the Pros. Yeah thats Fair! I used to go to Englishtown, I only went to watch Stock, Super/ Stock and a little Pro Stock and hang out/see a few sportsman racers I know. I used to go on Fridays because it wasn`t much but know even thats expensive. What it costs to go on Friday is equal to one regular race day entry to go on a Sunday its two weeks entry for my race car. Fridays of the National meet was great I would see many of my racing friends from my own track and others but the last couple of years the amount of people I would see has dwindled.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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02/17/10 10:52 AM
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Racing is racing, it changes. It went form the beach to the track in Daytona. Cars get faster, rules change. deal with it. There are still plenty of classes you can race in. If you are strickly talking about TV coverage and only showing the top 3-4 catagories what would you like them to do? The have to edit it down into a managable time period. Not a lot of people can sit thru and watch a complete NHRA day. At the end of the day it's still guys and gals in cars w/ big enigines going really fast. It takes a lot of skill to pedal those cars down the 1/4 mile or 1000 feet as it stands. The fact that JF is on all the time is becasue maybe he's the kookiest guy in the pits. He always has too much too say it's an easy interview. As for the lack of Dodges, it's an effect of the current economy and the lack of any real product to race. Don't like it watch poker or girls soccer....
Do you guys get coverage of 3 or 4 catagories?? here in Australia we get coverage for one catorgry only, our fuelers, top slammas, our pro stocks & nitro bikes, thats prety much it, zero sportsman racing yet as we have the biggist feilds at any meeting & we are charged a fee for the tv coverage weather like it or not but never get to see our classes racing or hear any results,
you guys seem to have it pretty good
They show T/F dragster, T/F funny car, Pro Stock and sometimes they toss in Pro Bike. Usually tape delay so they can edit out all the track clean up and compress it into a 2 hour window.
AND then they have a seperate show that airs usually about a week after the race is over that covers the Sportsmen classes. SuperComp, Comp etc. That show is usually an hour so not a ton of coverage but at least it is something.
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Re: NHRA fan sign of times
[Re: Wile1coyote]
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02/17/10 08:05 PM
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The next race will be about team force, and John specifically,
Race Day will be interviews with Force, (not becuase its Force, but because he won the winternationals).
at the next race they will replay the funny car finals, they will talk all about how long it was since force won last, the dry spell is over. FORCE IS BACK... blah blah blah, so just a heads up ok? Be prepared.
I dont care who they talk about, who they interview, I dont care what little window pops up in the middle of a class coverage, I dont care if they show Wally Parks coming back from the dead and runs a Top Fueler into the 2 second zone, as they show pro stock, I'm just happy about being able to watch racing coverage, I remember what it used to be like.
I dont want to watch coverage and they talk about the one hit race wonders, some guy gets a one race sponsorship, qualifies #14 and gets his butt kicked first round, WOOOOO lets give him coverage...
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Suit & Tie on the starting line 11 AM for first pair of TF screaming..."Gentleman Light Em Up" An immediate turn off (Maybe "Fire em up" might of worked better considering they weren't even cranked yet). 
And yes...like many pointed out...too much Force air time. 
