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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Slider] #605774
02/06/10 01:51 PM
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Blair County,PA
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This set is 24yrs old.May be different now,but this is the way it came.

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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 62maxwgn] #605775
02/06/10 01:56 PM
02/06/10 01:56 PM
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Garden Grove, CA
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This set is 24yrs old.May be different now,but this is the way it came.




Looks like they might have changed it over the years...here is the same part number as your's...

http://www.hvactool.com/catalog.php3?hcategory=18&hsubcat=79&hpagenum=1&hproductid=93-FB


Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605776
02/06/10 02:04 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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I either camp the center in the vice to hold it tight or use one or two vise grips!

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605777
02/06/10 02:14 PM
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W. Kentucky
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I have my dads old double flaring tool and it's worn pretty bad. What I've done is take a small piece of worn out fine sand paper, put it in the groove and tighten. This may not be ideal but it has worked many times for me.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: justinp61] #605778
02/06/10 02:32 PM
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Raleighwood
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I borrowed a KD 2190 from a guy at work, and it works perfect. I've never seen another one made quite like it. I am now on the lookout for a good deal on one to get for myself. I messed around with some of those typical ones and they all slipped. I wouldn't mind the hydraulic style ones, but they sure are pricey for no more than I would use them.

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1968 Charger project. I don't have a fender tag or a buildsheet, so it's getting a 440. Help me decide on a color--most everything looks great! (NOT white. My Challenger is white. Need some variety :D)
1974 Challenger 360
2012 Challenger R/T
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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: justinp61] #605779
02/06/10 02:32 PM
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I have my dads old double flaring tool and it's worn pretty bad. What I've done is take a small piece of worn out fine sand paper, put it in the groove and tighten. This may not be ideal but it has worked many times for me.




Well, that's a pretty good idea. Have to give that a shot.


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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 2Bad360sfromNC] #605780
02/06/10 02:36 PM
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I borrowed a KD 2190 from a guy at work, and it works perfect. I've never seen another one made quite like it.




http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/kdt2190-78.html

A whole $14.53. Hmmm


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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 2Bad360sfromNC] #605781
02/06/10 03:31 PM
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St. John's Newfoundland
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I borrowed a KD 2190 from a guy at work, and it works perfect. I've never seen another one made quite like it. I am now on the lookout for a good deal on one to get for myself. I messed around with some of those typical ones and they all slipped. I wouldn't mind the hydraulic style ones, but they sure are pricey for no more than I would use them.




That style works the best I think, I have a similar one that's about 30 years old.

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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605782
02/06/10 03:40 PM
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So Cal
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Why would you even post that?
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Go to ebay and you will find some very good used ones for cheaper than new.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605783
02/06/10 04:23 PM
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Raleighwood
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I borrowed a KD 2190 from a guy at work, and it works perfect. I've never seen another one made quite like it.




http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/kdt2190-78.html

A whole $14.53. Hmmm




That is for the four inserts 2190-78. The picture is misleading. The whole set is just p/n 2190 with no -78. Yeah, if I could get the whole deal for 15 bucks, I'd get a couple of 'em!

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1968 Charger project. I don't have a fender tag or a buildsheet, so it's getting a 440. Help me decide on a color--most everything looks great! (NOT white. My Challenger is white. Need some variety :D)
1974 Challenger 360
2012 Challenger R/T
1991 Dakota 5.2
Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: jcc] #605784
02/06/10 05:34 PM
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After years of frustration with the $50? Summit type tools, I dropped a few hundred on the real hydraulic double flare tools, and glad I did.




The ability to make perfect double flares and no more frustration from trying to use a cheaper tool makes it priceless. NOTHING is more frustrating that getting to the last flare on a complex bend and having a cheap flare tool ruin the work. ...except have it happen twice...

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Lefty] #605785
02/06/10 06:21 PM
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After years of frustration with the $50? Summit type tools, I dropped a few hundred on the real hydraulic double flare tools, and glad I did.




The ability to make perfect double flares and no more frustration from trying to use a cheaper tool makes it priceless. NOTHING is more frustrating that getting to the last flare on a complex bend and having a cheap flare tool ruin the work. ...except have it happen twice...




I couldn't have said it better. I just went through this on some 3/8 fuel lines. I borrowed a friends Mastercool hydraulic set and it was a breeze. I will be buy a kit soon.

Dan

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: jcc] #605786
02/06/10 07:15 PM
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After years of frustration with the $50? Summit type tools, I dropped a few hundred on the real hydraulic double flare tools, and glad I did.




Did the same thing.....Mastercool here...One of the best tools in my box.....

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: belv2vert66] #605787
02/06/10 07:16 PM
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Garden Grove, CA
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My a/c crimper is a Mastercool, they seem to make real nice stuff

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: OzHemi] #605788
02/06/10 08:25 PM
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Rogue River, OR
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My a/c crimper is a Mastercool, they seem to make real nice stuff




I have a Mastercool setup and it is awesome. Factory looking flares without having to remove the line from the car after you bend it up.

The main problem with the flaring tools that are sold is that they are made for "thin wall" tubing. I have yet to see a parts store that sells said think wall tubing. Did you ever notice that your tubing vice (the thing that holds the tube) makes the tube oval when tightened down? This is because you are using thick wall tubing. I have never seen a cheapy double flaring kit made for "thick wall" tubing.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Challenger 1] #605789
02/06/10 11:25 PM
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I know what your talking about, the cheaper tools will do that. You can make it work by tightening the end of the tool closest to the tube first, then tighten the farthest away second. Tightening the longer end of the tool last gives it more leverage to grip the tube better. Does that make sense?




Exactly what I do with the cheap HF one that I have. Run closest end down first then tighten the far wingnut. Works fine.


I'd like to have one of the better quality pieces, but, you gotta work with what you have and mine was free!

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: RobX4406] #605790
02/06/10 11:58 PM
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I'm wondering if the sandpaper trick would take care of it, sure sounds worth a try


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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: RapidRobert] #605791
02/07/10 06:52 AM
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I'm wondering if the sandpaper trick would take care of it, sure sounds worth a try




It didn't work for me. I give. I don't want to mess around. When I want a flare, it needs to be a good flare. We're talking fuel or brakes here. I'm going to pony up for a good tool. Sounds like Mastercool makes good stuff.


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Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605792
02/07/10 09:07 AM
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I went through this myself with a cheap set years ago, and took the advice to buy a Snap On set. Love it, I have not had a problem yet. Never had a leak either........

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605793
02/08/10 10:37 AM
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get an otc stinger part number 4503. we sell them over the counter at my work for $33.85. it hasnt let me down yet. used it twice last week with no issues.


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