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Double flare tubing tool #605754 02/06/10 11:48 AM 02/06/10 11:48 AM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California M Moneypit6 OP member
Moneypit6 OP member M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California	I bought a tool from Summit to do some 3/8" steel fuel line with. I cut some practice pieces to learn on. I'm having a big problem with the tubing just slipping through the holder. That's with the holder fully tightened with C clamps on each side of the press. Is there a trick to keeping the tubing from pushing through the holder! Not sure what else I can do. Any help here would be appreciated. 70 Roadrunner almost ready to come off the rotisserie

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605755 02/06/10 12:14 PM 02/06/10 12:14 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,290 New Kent, Va. bobbyb pro stock
bobbyb pro stock Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,290 New Kent, Va.	I had the same problem with one I bought from Sears. It was suppose to do double flares but the clamp on the tool wouldn't hold the tubing in position while flaring. I could use some tips also or a GOOD tool that actually works right. 2004 Dodge Rumble Bee 5.7 Hemi 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605756 02/06/10 12:17 PM 02/06/10 12:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Any help here would be appreciated. Haven't run into that but I've only used my buddies Rigid brand which is pretty good piece. I'd suspect that they didn't machine it right maybe not enough off of the 2 faces that meet so not enough clamping force. I'm thinking that you could can wrap something real thin around the tubing to make up for that like some thin metal shim material from your hardware store? live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605757 02/06/10 12:22 PM 02/06/10 12:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	I've got a 45� double flare and a 37� single flare tool and both grib the line fine when you tighten them down hard. Did use a friends ages ago and his would slip too (even using pliers to really crank it down tight), think as mentioned must just be ones machined poorly perhaps If you have the clamps as tight as possible and it still slips, maybe call Summit and see if they will change it for another one...

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605758 02/06/10 12:33 PM 02/06/10 12:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I know what your talking about, the cheaper tools will do that. You can make it work by tightening the end of the tool closest to the tube first, then tighten the farthest away second. Tightening the longer end of the tool last gives it more leverage to grip the tube better. Does that make sense?

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: OzHemi] #605759 02/06/10 12:35 PM 02/06/10 12:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: I've got a 45� double flare and a 37� single flare tool OzHemi I've been wondering about this since I have a 45 & want to do some 37's on some AN tubing/fittings. Is the only diff the angle on the nub as I want to just turn one down or turn another one (to get 37)???. On the orig Q & not visualizing how it is but are there 2 places on the end where the 2 sides come together like a pair of calipers that could be trimmed a bit for more clamping force along the 2 faces? I think the only caveat is you need to end up w the tapered point still centered over the tubing live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: RapidRobert] #605760 02/06/10 12:38 PM 02/06/10 12:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	I think so...I've used it a bunch of times now to do AN stuff and it's worked great. I hadn't thought of turning a 45� down...just ordered the other one. But don't forget that the dimple in the holder has to be the right angle too

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605761 02/06/10 12:49 PM 02/06/10 12:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia	After years of frustration with the $50? Summit type tools, I dropped a few hundred on the real hydraulic double flare tools, and glad I did. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Challenger 1] #605762 02/06/10 12:53 PM 02/06/10 12:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 587 minot north dakota ledft79 mopar
ledft79 mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 587 minot north dakota	Quote: Tightening the longer end of the tool last gives it more leverage to grip the tube better. Does that make sense? If you tighten the wrong end first, it doesn't hold near as well. 5786251-01-12-201010;06;18PM.JPG (463 downloads) DRIVE EM, DONT HIDE EM.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: OzHemi] #605763 02/06/10 12:53 PM 02/06/10 12:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: But don't forget that the dimple in the holder has to be the right angle too thanks OZ . Holy Moses I forgot about the angle on the other side would have to match also . Sounds like I better just pony up & get a Summitt (they're cheap)(now I know why) assuming that the ends can be filed so it will clamp down tight live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Challenger 1] #605764 02/06/10 12:55 PM 02/06/10 12:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California M Moneypit6 OP member
Moneypit6 OP member M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California	" Does that make sense?" It certainly does, but in this case the clamps are both bottomed. It has a slight bulge in the area of the tube because it's flexing. I C-clamped on each side to complete the squeeze but this stuff is stubborn. I can mill more off of the clamp but was just wondering if there was a good trick without squeezing the *ell out of the tube and making it look smaller after the install. I'm beginning to think I have to size it so that it actually pinches the tube down a little and makes it's own shoulder. 70 Roadrunner almost ready to come off the rotisserie

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: jcc] #605765 02/06/10 12:58 PM 02/06/10 12:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: After years of frustration with the $50? Summit type tools, I dropped a few hundred on the real hydraulic double flare tools, and glad I did. I was temped on one of them, sure look like a nice way to go. On the tool topic, I just bought an A/C hose crimper, sure works nice

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605766 02/06/10 12:59 PM 02/06/10 12:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: " Does that make sense?" It certainly does, but in this case the clamps are both bottomed. It has a slight bulge in the area of the tube because it's flexing. I C-clamped on each side to complete the squeeze but this stuff is stubborn. I can mill more off of the clamp but was just wondering if there was a good trick without squeezing the *ell out of the tube and making it look smaller after the install. I'm beginning to think I have to size it so that it actually pinches the tube down a little and makes it's own shoulder. Try what I said first on a fresh peice of tube. You don't want the tube colasped where you gripe it either. It it's leaving a crimp mark, then it will work without any milling.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: RapidRobert] #605767 02/06/10 01:00 PM 02/06/10 01:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: Quote: But don't forget that the dimple in the holder has to be the right angle too thanks OZ . Holy Moses I forgot about the angle on the other side would have to match also . Sounds like I better just pony up & get a Summitt (they're cheap)(now I know why) assuming that the ends can be filed so it will clamp down tight Maybe moneypit will give you a deal on a slighty used one

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605768 02/06/10 01:14 PM 02/06/10 01:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA 62maxwgn master
62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	If you are going to any amount of double flaring,go to a refrigeration parts supplier and buy a Imperial-Eastman.It's tube holder (attached) won't slip no matter what size tube.It's still USA made and will last forever.In tools,you get what you pay for. :twocents 5786303-P2060139.JPG (242 downloads)

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 62maxwgn] #605769 02/06/10 01:23 PM 02/06/10 01:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California M Moneypit6 OP member
Moneypit6 OP member M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California	"If you are going to any amount of double flaring,go to a refrigeration parts supplier and buy a Imperial-Eastman." Now we're talking. Wish I would have knew that before. I certainly agree with the good tool theory. I just didn't know I would have this problem. The clamp slips on the tube no matter what side is tightened first. I think I'll mill a few thousands off and go from there. 70 Roadrunner almost ready to come off the rotisserie

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 62maxwgn] #605770 02/06/10 01:26 PM 02/06/10 01:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger
OzHemi Penguin-hating Ginger Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 104,346 Garden Grove, CA	Quote: If you are going to any amount of double flaring,go to a refrigeration parts supplier and buy a Imperial-Eastman.It's tube holder (attached) won't slip no matter what size tube.It's still USA made and will last forever.In tools,you get what you pay for. :twocents Nice looking tool! And I agree....that A/C crimper I just got is a good quality tool, and just makes the job go smooth and easy...I bought my flare tools a little bit ago, and wasn't aware of that style, sure looks good.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: 62maxwgn] #605771 02/06/10 01:29 PM 02/06/10 01:29 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 347 north west, IN L larry890 enthusiast
larry890 enthusiast L Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 347 north west, IN	I repair lots of fuel and brake line, and have noticed that the od sizes differ on several different brands of line. causing them to slip in the clamp.

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: OzHemi] #605772 02/06/10 01:30 PM 02/06/10 01:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California M Moneypit6 OP member
Moneypit6 OP member M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 127 California	Imperial Eastman 525-F I just checked this tool out on their site. It's single flare only. Their double flair tools look like everyone elses!?? 70 Roadrunner almost ready to come off the rotisserie

Re: Double flare tubing tool [Re: Moneypit6] #605773 02/06/10 01:40 PM 02/06/10 01:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 634 USA S Slider super gas
Slider super gas S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 634 USA	Quote: Their double flair tools look like everyone elses!?? �Hunt down those Chevies and Fords and crush �em like bugs!� ~ Tom Hoover (O=o=====o=O)

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