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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dwbiggs]
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05/20/08 10:26 PM
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My car is way lower than that....probably 3" lower. Think he had to put extension on them for my 17"'s and that put them too close to fenders.
how is this for low. i have no problems aligning this on my buddies 20 year old alignment rack. the rocker panel pinch weld is about 3" off the ground. i have 17" wheels with 235 55 17" rubber.
i personally think the align shop is yanking your chain. time to find a new align shop.
Last edited by Mr T tu U; 05/20/08 10:30 PM.
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dwbiggs]
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05/20/08 10:48 PM
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My car is lowered with 15" wheels though. Not a problem. I don't see how 17" rim would make a difference in the setup shown in my picture...
My car is way lower than that....probably 3" lower. Think he had to put extension on them for my 17"'s and that put them too close to fenders.
My tires are 25.4" in dia and that picture was taken with the car raised at eye level. Also the rims are 15" so the top of the rim is not as close to the bottom of the fender. Best way to compare ride height is by measuring the bottom of the rockers in the front and rear.
I can't run any rubber bump stops right now. If I were 3" lower it would be sitting on the frame.
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: NITROUSN]
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05/20/08 10:55 PM
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to the best of my knowledge you have to do a caster swing to get any readings, including camber and toe, from the alignment machine. how were they able to get the other readings without doing a caster swing.
 That what I was thinking.
I suppose it depends on the equipment you are using. I haven't used any brand new state-of-the-art equipment so I can't vouch for them. I'm used to using a Hunter D111 machine. I know it's a 20 year old machine, but you get camber and toe readings immediately, no need for a caster sweep except for caster readings.
I can see where there may be interefence with his fenders. Just because there were no clearance problems with a certain machine on a b-body don't mean there won't be with another machine on an e-body. Also, backspacing on wheels can be an issue. I think the easiest fix for the problem is to put the stock 15's on it, align it, then put your 17's back on.
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dodgeram440]
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05/21/08 08:34 AM
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I think the easiest fix for the problem is to put the stock 15's on it, align it, then put your 17's back on.
This sounds like the best idea....although I will be tagged with another 50.00 alignment. Maybe I can talk them into cutting the price a little.  
BTW, how much camber can you get out of a stock setup? Will it affect how much caster you can get...since one change affects the other. I told them 1 deg neg but can I get more.?
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dwbiggs]
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05/21/08 09:36 AM
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I think caster is more important than camber on a driver type car. If you're going to push corners as well, then you need camber too, but if you have to sacrifice one for the other, keep the caster. If it's an all-stock setup, you may not be able to get more than a couple degrees of +caster and still keep the camber at 0.0 or slightly negative. This seems to be worse on B/E bodies than A bodies. I've got stock-type parts on my Valiant (no problem solver bushings or tubular UCA's), and I was able to get a little over 3* of (+)caster AND 0.75* (-)camber. If you can get 1.0* (-)camber but only 1.0* (+)caster, bump the camber down to 0.5* and try to get more (+)caster. It's a balancing act on stock parts. Be sure to match the caster on both sides.  Clair
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dodgeram440]
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05/21/08 11:21 PM
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i rum my car at 2 1/2* positive CASTER
1/2* neg CAMBER
1/16" neg toe
i can let go of the wheel at speeds over 100mph and the car doesn't wander.
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: dodgeram440]
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05/21/08 11:38 PM
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I suppose it depends on the equipment you are using. I haven't used any brand new state-of-the-art equipment so I can't vouch for them. I'm used to using a Hunter D111 machine. I know it's a 20 year old machine, but you get camber and toe readings immediately, no need for a caster sweep except for caster readings.
I read what you are saying but an alignment has to include caster. There is no steering automobile made that the caster, camber, toe should all be read. A fixed rear is one thing but a steerable axle needs all the readings.
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: Mr T2U]
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05/22/08 08:25 AM
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A couple of things......... You can put another set of tires on it to do the aligment and it will not affect any of the readings . If the shop could not do caster they should not have charged for the service. Maybe just a hook up. And toe out is neg. toe in is poss. Jake
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Re: Shop couldn't adjust caster
[Re: captaindodge]
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05/22/08 09:28 AM
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Is "neg toe" toe out or toe in ? 
Toe-out (-) means the front of the tires are farther apart than the rear of the tires. Toe-in (+) means the front of the tires are closer together than the rear of the tires.
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