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Re: 440 intake manifold
[Re: dOc !]
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01/29/10 08:27 PM
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I think it is a little bit better than stock.
THERE you go !  
Its all relative.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/29/10 11:24 PM
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Here ya go guys, pics of 5 different 440 manifolds, aluminum 6 pack, performer 440 RPM, performer 440, Mopar 2836150, and Mopar (over the counter ??)aluminum with measurements from the driver side valve cover. compare away..... jt
Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...
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Re: 440 intake manifold
[Re: jt4406]
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01/29/10 11:27 PM
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Performer
Last edited by jt4406; 01/29/10 11:29 PM.
Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...
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Re: 440 intake manifold
[Re: Rug_Trucker]
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01/30/10 02:01 AM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
If you look at the results of the 383 intake shootout, the CH4B did very well in 'part 1' where they tested the intakes on stock heads. In fact I think it beat out the RPM in bottom end power IIRC. When they tested the intakes bolted onto a set of CNC ported aftermarket heads, the results were the other way around, but it's all realitive to your head flow and cam specs.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/30/10 03:01 AM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
If you look at the results of the 383 intake shootout, the CH4B did very well in 'part 1' where they tested the intakes on stock heads. In fact I think it beat out the RPM in bottom end power IIRC. When they tested the intakes bolted onto a set of CNC ported aftermarket heads, the results were the other way around, but it's all realitive to your head flow and cam specs.
Hey DT ...what does a 383 Shoot-out have to do with a CH4B ? .. the 383 intake that Eddy made that is similiar to the 440 one is a DP4B.
And again I ask ... if what you are saying is true ... why didn't Eddy just REpop these intakes AS-IS instead of all that R&D ? ...
Eddy did just-that with the TM-7 ...and Holley did just-that with the 440 Street Dominator.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/30/10 08:38 AM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
Who on this thread stated that the CH4B is superior to anything but the stock intake? No one.
Because the design is very similar, it is reasonable to use the results from the DP4B test as a relative performance indicator for the CH4B. However, a stock manifold was not used in the test. Presuming the dyno was accurate in the test (big if) that would be, for a 383 b-body, about a 12.0 at 111 mph.
Edelbrock will make whatever they think they can make money on.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
[Re: BSB67]
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01/30/10 11:07 AM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
Who on this thread stated that the CH4B is superior to anything but the stock intake? No one.
Because the design is very similar, it is reasonable to use the results from the DP4B test as a relative performance indicator for the CH4B. However, a stock manifold was not used in the test. Presuming the dyno was accurate in the test (big if) that would be, for a 383 b-body, about a 12.0 at 111 mph.
Edelbrock will make whatever they think they can make money on.
Who said it was the BESTest(or very near the top) ? .. not directly .. but it was inferred.
And JUST BECAUSE the RB intake does well ...does not mean the B engine one will also follow-suit.
And you suggest Eddy will make anything(no matter what the performance is) .. just to make money ? WrongO .... Vic is a smarter business-man than that. I have MET and TALKED to Vic ...when I was an NHRA sponsor.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/30/10 12:39 PM
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Doesnt mopar performance make an M1 dual plane? I know they did for the smallblock and it looked like an OEM manifold yet made more power than the "Leading Competitors"....(performer) manifold.
Keep old mopars alive.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/30/10 01:35 PM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
Who on this thread stated that the CH4B is superior to anything but the stock intake? No one.
Because the design is very similar, it is reasonable to use the results from the DP4B test as a relative performance indicator for the CH4B. However, a stock manifold was not used in the test. Presuming the dyno was accurate in the test (big if) that would be, for a 383 b-body, about a 12.0 at 111 mph.
Edelbrock will make whatever they think they can make money on.
Who said it was the BESTest(or very near the top) ? .. not directly .. but it was inferred.
And JUST BECAUSE the RB intake does well ...does not mean the B engine one will also follow-suit.
And you suggest Eddy will make anything(no matter what the performance is) .. just to make money ? WrongO .... Vic is a smarter business-man than that. I have MET and TALKED to Vic ...when I was an NHRA sponsor.
I don't know, who? Your making the claim not me.
No point in arguing opninions on DP4B verses CH4B.
I too have spoken with Vic. Great guy. They make some great products and I am thankful that they continue to contribute to the sport. However, just like every other reputable business man I know, he is in the business to make a profit. If he believed that he could get an ROI better than other initiatives currently underway at Edelbrock, he would do it. If you think otherwise, your kidding yourself.
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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#596793
01/30/10 02:10 PM
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DaytonaTurbo
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
If you look at the results of the 383 intake shootout, the CH4B did very well in 'part 1' where they tested the intakes on stock heads. In fact I think it beat out the RPM in bottom end power IIRC. When they tested the intakes bolted onto a set of CNC ported aftermarket heads, the results were the other way around, but it's all realitive to your head flow and cam specs.
Hey DT ...what does a 383 Shoot-out have to do with a CH4B ? .. the 383 intake that Eddy made that is similiar to the 440 one is a DP4B.
And again I ask ... if what you are saying is true ... why didn't Eddy just REpop these intakes AS-IS instead of all that R&D ? ...
Eddy did just-that with the TM-7 ...and Holley did just-that with the 440 Street Dominator.
Well the DP4B is just the B block version of the CH4B, so yes I am going under the assumption that the flow characteristics between the two is basically the same. I am betting the engineers working for holley used basically the same design for B and RB versions of this intake, rather than starting all over from scratch again.
Nobody is saying the CH4B flows as well as the holley SD, eddy RPM or TM7. In applcations where there is sufficiant head flow to warrant max intake flow, the CH4B would not be at the top of the heap. But when you need a stock height intake, it's a good choice IMO.
Why didn't they repop this intake? Well if you take the CH4B, rotate the carb pad 180*, change it to a spreadbore and add a thermoquad choke well, visusally at least you have an edelbrock performer intake. Maybe they tweaked the intake design a little and gave it a different name so they could keep selling new intakes instead of having everyone going after cheap used pieces? Hey it's possible...
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Re: 440 intake manifold
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01/30/10 06:10 PM
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YOU GUYZ and your CH4B !
IF that intake is superior to most intakes out there ... THEN WHY didn't Eddy repop that intake AS-IS .. just like it was produced back in the 60's ?
If you look at the results of the 383 intake shootout, the CH4B did very well in 'part 1' where they tested the intakes on stock heads. In fact I think it beat out the RPM in bottom end power IIRC. When they tested the intakes bolted onto a set of CNC ported aftermarket heads, the results were the other way around, but it's all realitive to your head flow and cam specs.
Hey DT ...what does a 383 Shoot-out have to do with a CH4B ? .. the 383 intake that Eddy made that is similiar to the 440 one is a DP4B.
And again I ask ... if what you are saying is true ... why didn't Eddy just REpop these intakes AS-IS instead of all that R&D ? ...
Eddy did just-that with the TM-7 ...and Holley did just-that with the 440 Street Dominator.
Well the DP4B is just the B block version of the CH4B, so yes I am going under the assumption that the flow characteristics between the two is basically the same. I am betting the engineers working for holley used basically the same design for B and RB versions of this intake, rather than starting all over from scratch again.
Nobody is saying the CH4B flows as well as the holley SD, eddy RPM or TM7. In applcations where there is sufficiant head flow to warrant max intake flow, the CH4B would not be at the top of the heap. But when you need a stock height intake, it's a good choice IMO.
Why didn't they repop this intake? Well if you take the CH4B, rotate the carb pad 180*, change it to a spreadbore and add a thermoquad choke well, visusally at least you have an edelbrock performer intake. Maybe they tweaked the intake design a little and gave it a different name so they could keep selling new intakes instead of having everyone going after cheap used pieces? Hey it's possible...
I would agree with this. Maybe they tweaked the intake and got the best out of it with more modern tech. Then called it the Performer RPM which is a better intake but a bit taller. I guess they figured the RPM would sell and why compete against their own newer intake by selling an older design. Thats just what I think they may have done but really dont know. Ron
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