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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #595608
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http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-dodge-426-hemi.htm






Martin,

That's the car (of course it's a sedan not a hard top) that was sold at the AZ BJ auction a couple auctions back, it was raced as the "Snorkasaurus III" back when it was new, reportably restored by Top Fuel crew chief Dale Armstrong. It's a nicely restored cars with the aluminum front end etc. It did have some reproduction engine parts (intake,
etc.) but was a pretty nice example.





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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: mike s] #595609
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I just noticed the post about the 440-6 72 Charger."Sunroofcuda" posted the window sticker.On the list is "company car".At the top the code 81100 and to the right is 15.That's Detroit region-15/engineering-81100.Sold from the St Louis assembly plant to Chrysler Corp.

Looks to be relevant to our discussion here.




How are we getting ENGINEERING from this?

The '72 Charger appears to be a company car for a Chrysler executive, the execs name and current car's VIN# is on the bottom of the window sticker. St. Louis built car shipped to Detroit for said exec.

DETROIT is region 42

Earlier in this post we have a claim that 81101 is Chrysler Engineering ... is that true?
There is only one '64 HEMI for 81101 a Dodge 330 sedan?

There are NO '64 HEMI cars with 81100 for the dealer code, which appears to be "company exec. car" or similar.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: 6bblgt] #595610
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Well I can say that there is at least one(1) 1964 Hemi Belvedere 2dr hdtp car built with the region 15,81101 engineering code and that is my friends PP1 red car everyone is blowing off as just a lowly Max Wedge car. You can't argue with the IBM card. How many 64 Max cars had that 81101 engineering code? One(1) and I believe there is a very good reason for this. As A864 Hemi production drew near, the max wedge was fading away. Why is it so hard to believe that as those mass production dates got closer the ones in may through june, at some point those engineers had to figure out what it was going to take to fit the A864 Hemi engine pkge into these "B" body cars and make it reasonable to wrench on. You can't argue the fact that at least one other car which turned out to be one of the 2% cars were pulled from the assembly line the same day. After all there were only 10 more aluminum cars built after his and to me that is right were my buds car fits in the so called "Hemi" time line. It only makes sense when here you have an already basically built lightweight car to start with. Yes the shock tower in at least one of the 2% cars was not modified, but that modification was going to be necessary to build the large production run of cars coming up. Well they had to start somewhere and I believe that is where my friends PP1 red car enters this picture. Over the years I have had the opportunity to view a lot of cars and never has that shock tower mod turned up like his is, because it was the first one modified while they figured out what it was going to take to make the production run cars for 1964. I have grown up around his car and I have spent a very good deal of time with it over the years and when you take in everything as a whole it becomes reasonably clear that this car is basically a virgin survivor lightweight. The Aluminum has never been taken off, it still has red over spray where it should, it even has the aluminum stone shields in place. How many of these have been seen? The "K" frame appears to be original and looks like it has been there since day one. Of course there is also the neat aircraft type brake lines on the rear axle and as a result it also has these lower shock extenders that move the shocks further back! Can this be yet another form of suspension tricks that those slick engineering guys were trying out? Who knows. You guys are correct when you make statements such as it is not a production Hemi steel nose hardtop, when in fact it is a Hemi prototype, 81101. Thanks for the rant. JC.

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: QuickSilver] #595611
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A short story:
What I learned from the hand written 1987 letter from Ralph Ronzello regarding the 1964 Hemi Belvedere track car currently in the Chrysler museum…

NOTE: I am not enjoying having to write this disclaimer.
DISCLAIMER: I am taking what is written in the letter the truth as he has no reason to lie-do you understand that all you moparts policemen??
It’s 1987 and these are just used cars at this point…. I did not inspect the car or get Galen Govier’s stamp of approval. I apologize to the majority of you whom are enjoying the sharing of information and don’t act like tools. Remember I am recounting a hand written letter and I am not investigating what is written, just reporting it

The car in the museum is a real 4 sp hemi belvedere [former drag racing car of unknown heritage] with the track option package & short track air breather. It was restored as a track option car as built by Chrysler BEFORE it was modified to be raced. This is the only known example of a 64 hemi hardtop 4 speed with the track option. It was called the “track option” not a NASCAR car, and only avail on a belvedere 4 speed hardtop steel car.

The track option parts were collected with lots of help from Petty Enterprises and the car was restored as a NASCAR track car. [Did you even know there was a track option in 1964-65?] The real hemi car is a former drag race car. There are no reproduction parts, all parts are the real deal. The car has orig 64 hemi exhaust with the track extension going out the side under the doors. The correct hand built 3 piece welded track valve covers have 2 breathers & a tall oil fill neck tube. They are not a stamping and weigh 1.5 lbs. The authentic wheels were reproduced by Clemont [I can’t decipher the handwriting so the spelling may be off] Wheel Industries. The 15x8 wheels with a 4-5/16 offset allows the stock car Goodyear tires to clear the stock body and suspension.

The track option part numbers
2468904 Engine code 09 12.5:1 for manual trans $1750.00 retail $1435.00net
2563496 Track code X9 $369.50 retail $ 303.00 net

1964 Track package:
1964 Hemi Belvedere w/ dual quad hemi under the hood
Alum single carb intake w/ Holley center float carb manual choke-shipped in trunk
Special oil pan
Special exhaust
Sway bar and large brakes – actual config unknown
Short & long track air breathers
Internal engine modifications

The family visited with the Petty’s during the research phase of the restoration.

From the horse’s mouth [as told in the letter] Maurice Petty states:
The car that won the 64 Daytona 500 was a body in white. They had 5 or 6 cars in 64 and only 2 actually arrived from Chrysler with a hemi under the hood as those 2 cars were built in may/june of 64 [like the museum car and the rest of the 64 hemi cars.]
Stock motor mounts were used as well as stock headers.[I do not understand what "stock" headers were] The battery was relocated to behind the left front wheel. Maurice suggested that Chrysler lost interest in making the track car factory package since the race cars got cut up and reworked so much that is was cheaper for everyone to go back to the body in white stock car with the engine in a crate. The cars were required at the time to be raced in full trim which presented some challenges keeping the stuff on the car at track speeds. Any Petty records/pictures of the 64-67 years are gone as they were lost in a fire in the 70’s.

As for the 660342 Chrysler Engineering white paper - I have to read it first and attempt to scan it.


Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: ThermoQuad] #595612
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Tom,my intent is not to bash the Ronzello car it is a very nice piece and a very impressive time capsule.However it was not built by Chrysler or the Petty's. No one is playing Moparts police here,just trying to get the facts straight.After reading your post I am convinced that the "track car" has been cloned into the car that I spoke of earlier in several posts.Problem is that that is not how the car was built or sold off the show room floor at a Detroit Chry-Ply dealer.It is not the same car. That car had the "Petty floor" but NOT the track pack as sold at the dealer.Again the location of that car is known.

As far as what does engr have to do with anything the point was that that was a car that was not supposed to be built at all.440-6 engines were cancelled for the 72 model year.That was only reason for the post.


Leave the gun.......take the Cannoli's....Mike
Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: mike s] #595613
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Yes, had a brain fart, same car

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #595614
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If anyone is interested i have a original Chysler corp issued 10 or so page supplement that appears to been given with a purchase of a 64 race hemi Dodge.

Its starts off with congradulating on a purchase of the car lists some of the car options and lists very detailed engine specs with part #s.

I have had this booklet for over 23 years and was given to me from someone who worked for RacerBrown when the were in Ca.

I can scan it from cover to cover if their is any interest when i get a chance.

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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: Thread Ender1] #595615
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Absalutely! Fire up that scanner!

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That would be great. Scans should also be sent to alaska ta as he has a nice literature library on line.

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Count me in on that deal!


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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: LO23M8B] #595618
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Count me in on that deal!




Me too.



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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: FC7cuda] #595619
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YES Please!!

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: 6bblgt] #595620
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One more if you will. Thanks

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: LO23M8B] #595621
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Commando Option Price in Feb 64 $482 or $415 <- Link
Super Comando Option Price in Mar 64 $1058 <-Link
Why the name and price change? Hemi instead of Wedge?

Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: srt] #595622
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I will try and post the booklet info tomorrow morn, as far as i can see the called the 64 Dodge hemi a "Hemi Charger"

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Re: 1964 Hemi hardtops [Re: hemicar1971] #595623
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http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featu...ando/index.html


Ain't this so cool, hey kid you want to come see a "space age" engine, lol.

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Ok, this is the manual cover to cover....

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