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does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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ive seen the msd 6al come with the 5 pin factory mopar plug in direct for mopar electronic harness,does anyone know if they still make? do you also need to run the 4 prong ballast resistor with this 6al?
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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no msd-6al with mopar plug..
the old msd-6c has the mopar plug...
still got one.
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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their is a msd 6al with 5 pin that just sold on ebay,item #110477889585 so they did make it,there is also one currently for sale like the one you mentioned.
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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ok,,,,learn something new...lol
the ebay auction shows a msd 6420....according to msd website it does not come with a 5 pin connector..
if you read the ebay ad that you reference it says list 6420 but with 5 pin...
so...?????
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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WOOOW... INTERESTING... NOW I WANT ONE!!!
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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They made a 7C also. have one I tried. Sent it to MSD to repair. Never did try it.
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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alright,i called msd and showed them the auction and they said he only thinks they made a 6c,and maybe someone modified that box with that connector ,i did not believe him,caue if you read the auction and look at the pictures it looks factory msd,he even ask his supervisor,i just emailed the guy whose box this was to see if this is stock or modified???so what do you guys think????somebody please post a link on the completed auction on ebay so we can get to the bottom of this?????i want one so baddddd even if i have to modify.........
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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Is that a (5th) pin I see in the dim recesses  . I sure woulda thought MSD would have built them for the hi perf 2 terminal ballast systems (4 pin).
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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iirc the pentastar plug in must be wired differently as it cannot be plugged in directly from an stock type ECU module over to these MSD's.
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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alright guys,this is what i was wanting to do,i ordered this harness from yearone,its for my 70 charger converted to electronic ignition with 5 pin pentstar ecu plug.now when you get a factory harness converted from year one its like the 71 and up five pin set up with 4 pin ballast.its not the mopar performance 4 pin ecu set up from mopar performance.i called the harness tech line and he said you can run either 4 pin performance ecu box or five pin stock ecu as long as you run the 4 pin ballast anyway,i heard you can run it 2 ballast as well?i am wanting to get away from multiple discharge like orange chrome box cause i also want to get away with resistors as well so when i saw the msd 6al cd with 5 pin connector on the ebay auction,i was thinking of mounting that box under my batter tray and just plug in my connector cause it reaches over to it.....i think that a really stealthy set up.i am wanting to get the new firecore dizzy with mopar plug.so if i find a msd 6al with the 5 pin connector,like the one on ebay mentioned,and connect my ballast wires together??what else do i need to switch in the harness???
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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i just bought a 5a,from that same guy who sold the 6al on ebay,it was his last one.auction#110483908534,he says he still has the mopar performance catalog saying the new 6a and 6al are direct plug in for chrome orange and gold box.  there must be a bunch of these still lying around somewhere,i wonder if they made the 7al direct plug in too,he said he is printing out the page from the mp catalog.i am glad to hear its direct plug in.the question now is what to do with my ballast resister wires,hook a 4 pin ballast or connect together,the two tops and the two bottoms or leave empty???????i know that with a msd 6 series cd ignitions you dont need to run a ballast,what do i do?
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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wow, what a bunch of info... I forgott to check this thread latelly
Trying to get all the info and doubts on one same reply .
Ok we do have MSD 5C, MSD 6C and MSD 7C where:
5C like regular MP units so direct replacement ? does it call capacitive ? ( non multispark ? )
6C like the tipical MSD multispark
and 7C ? whats the diff ?
so we have also those MSD 6A and 6AL ( non limiter and limiter ) but are these modified or did they come with the 5 pins setup ?
and another doubt is... ballast still will need to be on the system or not ?
Do these units need still to be chassis grounded ?
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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Ok I noticed differenced between both MSD auctions 110477889585 and 110483908534
first one beside is a 6AL ( limiter option ) does have the 5pins conector on right side
the 6A unit ( non limiter ) has the conector at left side
Modified ? Originally offered ?
MP PN he provides on first auction is the actual the MP multispark black box
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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The following is from the Ramchargers 1980 catalog... MSD-5C $49.95 MSD-6C $99.95 MSD-7C $169.95 All have Chrysler pentagon connector, and will take a 4 or 5 pin version. I actually got ahold of a MSD-6C off the internet last year still in the original box. I did make a shock base and installed it in my 70RR, works fine. Just my $0.01.. 
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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The following is from the Ramchargers 1980 catalog...
MSD-5C $49.95
MSD-6C $99.95
MSD-7C $169.95
All have Chrysler pentagon connector, and will take a 4 or 5 pin version. I actually got ahold of a MSD-6C off the internet last year still in the original box. I did make a shock base and installed it in my 70RR, works fine.
Just my $0.01..
 so you say they all would work 5-6-7C with only 4pins connected and a 2prong ballast? 
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The following is from the Ramchargers 1980 catalog...
MSD-5C $49.95
MSD-6C $99.95
MSD-7C $169.95
All have Chrysler pentagon connector, and will take a 4 or 5 pin version. I actually got ahold of a MSD-6C off the internet last year still in the original box. I did make a shock base and installed it in my 70RR, works fine.
Just my $0.01..
so you say they all would work 5-6-7C with only 4pins connected and a 2prong ballast?
I am running a Blaster II coil, 0.25 Ohm ballast resistor (2 terminal) and the MSD-6C..
Note that I previously installed the OE Chrysler electronic distributor, OE harness and Orange box combo. When I got the MSD-6C, I took out the Orange box and installed the MSD.
Plug & play, in my 70RR..
Just my $0.01..
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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ok.....msd 5 series and Chrysler ignitions are inductive discharge. msd 6 7 series are capacitive discharge i think this is true with the old 5c 6c 7c if you google inductive ignition vs capacitive you will see the pros and cons of each system.go to this interesting article www.chevyhiperformance.com/...inductive...ignitions.../index.html as far as for the for what i bought,it is msd 5300,which is the msd 5200 5 series high perf inductive.it was called the 5300 cause it was made for chryslers only with the plug.he had it listed as a 6a,he was wrong.i emailed the guy who bought the 6al,and offered him more than double what he paid,i want have and test both systems....now if we can find out they made a 7al with direct plug in that wood be cool,who has the mopar performance catalog from the early to mid 90's ..... .
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Re: does msd still make the 6al with the 5 pin connetor?
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ok.....msd 5 series and Chrysler ignitions are inductive discharge.
msd 6 7 series are capacitive discharge i think this is true with the old 5c 6c 7c
if you google inductive ignition vs capacitive you will see the pros and cons of each system.go to this interesting article www.chevyhiperformance.com/...inductive...ignitions.../index.html
as far as for the for what i bought,it is msd 5300,which is the msd 5200 5 series high perf inductive.it was called the 5300 cause it was made for chryslers only with the plug.he had it listed as a 6a,he was wrong.i emailed the guy who bought the 6al,and offered him more than double what he paid,i want have and test both systems....now if we can find out they made a 7al with direct plug in that wood be cool,who has the mopar performance catalog from the early to mid 90's .....
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The link was broken..
Here it is fixed.. 
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/45618_inductive_cd_ignitions_basics/index.html
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BUT,hey hey hey,the one to have is a similar box made by msd for the ramchargers back then.i missed one of those on ebag a couple of months back 
these boxes are cool,there is a bit of reading in the d-c bible about them. 
