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Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help #586783
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I plan on upgrading to 17 or 18" wheel tire combo and I really want to fill out the rear wheel well. I'm looking for suggestions on rim/tire sizes as well as wheels to use.... maybe 285-45-18? Maybe 17s in the front? I like the torq thrust... any other suggestions? Thanks

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586784
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Btw its a 70 barracuda

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Btw its a 70 barracuda




goody has a nice combo on his car.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586786
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The trick is that you need to stay up around 27 to 28 inches in diameter. That can be hard to do as a lot of 17 inch and 18 inch tires are shorter than that. If the tire gets too short it gets lost in the big wheelwells on the Mopar muscle cars.

Something like a 235/55-17 tire works really well on most Mopar muscle cars. That tire is fairly tall and it has more cross section than most of the factory tires. It is about as wide as you can go up front before starting to run into issues. You can go wider out back of course but you'll still want to find something that is the correct height.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586787
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18" all around would not be a problem... 225 or 235 40 up front perhaps, along with what you mentioned for the rear

Not a Mopar, but here are 18" I put on a Camaro to give you a general idea of height.. 245/45-18 up front and 285/40-18 out back..




And 245/40-17 all around on my old Valiant Ute (A body basically)


Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: AndyF] #586788
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Here's my set-up

Rims are American Racing Torq-Thrust
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ARE-105MS8965B

Dr Diff 1" relocation kit gives me about 1" clearance from tire to leaf spring on each side.

17x8 (4.5" BS) up frt - 17/225/50 (25.9") $95 each
18x9 (6" BS) in rear - 18/275/40 (26.7") $115 each

I looked at the 285's for the rear but it was almost $100 more per tire. I looked for common sizes to keep the cost down.

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: OzHemi] #586790
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Oz....thats pretty much the look Im looking for. What are the rim sizes?
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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586791
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18 x 8 and 18 x 10 on the orange one..

17 x 8 all around on the ute.

I am building 18's for my Torana too, going 18 x 8's and 10's for it as well...

I buy alot of wheel components, so getting different sized outers to try is easy for me at least.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586792
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I like the torq thrust... any other suggestions? Thanks




If you like the Torq Thrust, you might also like the Vintage Wheel Works V45, or Coddington's New Wave or Destructor wheels, or Coy's C-5.

Vintage

Coddington's

New Wave

Destructor

Looks like the Coddington's are only available in 17x8 for 17s. Fine for front, but 17x9-9.5 for rear would be better.

Coy's wheels are an option, also.

C-5

None's cheap, but they look nice. The Coy's are my favorite. Saw a set on a 'Cuda the other day, 18s in front, and 20s in back. Way too big, 17s and 18s would have looked better. But the style fit the car well.

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The coys polished are the look I like. I just have to figure out the size of wheel (offset etc) I will need and the largest tire I can run.
Theres a black 71 pro touring cuda on ebay now that hit the nail on the head. I may email the boys and ask them what theyre running
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The problem with Coys (beside the fact they are made in china) is that they are a one piece wheel, so it will limit your backspacing options abit..)

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: OzHemi] #586795
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5th ave with 255/50R17's all the way around...


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The 255/50-17 is a great tire for muscle cars. That tire used to be super hard to find but I think there are more of them now. When the Impala SS first came out you had to have special permission to even order those tires.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: AndyF] #586797
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CNXT, are those the 17x10.5's bullitts? I love the way that looks. Thats the way I am going with my minitubbed Dart.


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: OzHemi] #586798
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The problem with Coys (beside the fact they are made in china) is that they are a one piece wheel, so it will limit your backspacing options a bit..)




The China part doesn't bum me out as much as the one piece aspect. It's my understanding that one piece wheels are heavier than two piece (or even three piece) wheels, or am I misinformed?

Oz, do you know anything about the other wheels?
(Sorry for the hijack, Crocker.)

Some weight loss in the wheel department would be a nice plus...

TIA,
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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: MoparMarq] #586799
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Which other wheels ?

Most of the one piece stuff I have seen does seem to be heavier then a similar sized 2 piece billet wheel, just a matter of what price range you are looking at.

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I like the set up. What brand wheel and tire are you running?
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The problem with Coys (beside the fact they are made in china) is that they are a one piece wheel, so it will limit your backspacing options abit..)



I'm old school (steel wheels) so please please educate me. Can 2 piece wheels be altered to change the offset?

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NO greater than 17's on a e-body or any for that matter. If greater, the "look" goes to the wheels and not the car. Too small looks caca as well.
But I'm old school, I like to look at the lines or style of the body as well as the wheels,
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The problem with Coys (beside the fact they are made in china) is that they are a one piece wheel, so it will limit your backspacing options abit..)



I'm old school (steel wheels) so please please educate me. Can 2 piece wheels be altered to change the offset?




Yep, just cut them apart and reweld them. I have it done often.
Steel wheels are cut up and widened or changed often too.

That said, the 1 piece wheels sold for the older cars usually do come in offsets made close to work (since so many people use them of course) but if you wanted to really squeeze in the max size or what not, measuring the car (both sides) and having the wheels made to suit can do that. (Or if the car is lowered and off the shelf offsets rub, 2 piece wheels can get moved a 1/2",etc to give you the room you need)

If you are just going to run a common size and not worried about the max that will fit that's another thing I suppose.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: OzHemi] #586804
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OZ helped me get some Boyd Codding Smoothie IIs custom built. They're 18 x 8 and 18 x 10.
Tires are Nitto NT555 in 245/45-18 front and 295/45-18 rear.
My wheels were made with an extra thick mounting pad to clear the big brakes. Cars with more common or stock brakes can get away with normal mounting pads. That would give the wheel a 1-1/2" deeper look. They're awesome in a deep dish.

Look at the picture of the front wheel between the center hub and the rotor. You can see the seam where the extra material was added. The lug nuts are the tall chrome spline drives and don't even reach the outside of the wheel center. That will give you an idea of how much farther back the spokes would be. It would be killer on a muscle car.

Another bonus is having the valve stem behind a spoke of the wheel. You don't see it from the outside. That makes for a much cleaner appearing wheel with more of a custom look. The stem is easy to reach even with the monster brakes in there.









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Speaking of Boyds....how about some old school ones ?
I picked these up a little bit ago and had them polished, my wheel guy said these were the very first of the Boyd billet (not cast) series "big" wheels, they are 18"
He guess they were from about '94 or 5

(came out pretty good after the polishing)

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My, what small brakes you have...

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Btw its a 70 barracuda




goody has a nice combo on his car.



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Thanks, ill post pics later of mine,. 255s up front, 295s in the rear. the rear tires are on 18s and are 28.5" tall


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: OzHemi] #586808
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My, what small brakes you have...




Aren't they just the cutest little things?

I've really been slacking on the hot rod. I've had the big rear brakes for several years and haven't done anything more than let them collect dust on the closet shelf.

My shop is done except for the sheet rock. Hopefully, I'll get off my duff and do something about them soon.

I haven't had the cash to play with the hot rod but I'm planning on doing a little spending in February. Maybe it'll see the street again soon.


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Btw its a 70 barracuda




goody has a nice combo on his car.



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Thanks, ill post pics later of mine,. 255s up front, 295s in the rear. the rear tires are on 18s and are 28.5" tall




Goody:
What rim sizes (ie width/ rear offsets ) are you using?

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The problem with Coys (beside the fact they are made in china) is that they are a one piece wheel, so it will limit your backspacing options abit..)



I'm old school (steel wheels) so please please educate me. Can 2 piece wheels be altered to change the offset?




Yep, just cut them apart and reweld them. I have it done often.
Steel wheels are cut up and widened or changed often too.

That said, the 1 piece wheels sold for the older cars usually do come in offsets made close to work (since so many people use them of course) but if you wanted to really squeeze in the max size or what not, measuring the car (both sides) and having the wheels made to suit can do that. (Or if the car is lowered and off the shelf offsets rub, 2 piece wheels can get moved a 1/2",etc to give you the room you need)

If you are just going to run a common size and not worried about the max that will fit that's another thing I suppose.




Ozhemi/Cnxt et al:
Well I'm commited to this thing now as I sold the 15x7 rallyes. I got a couple more questions:
-Can I mount a 285-45-18 on a 18x9 wheel or do i need an 18x10 wheel?
-any problem with a 275-45-18 on a 18x9 wheel?
-The torq thrust wheels I'm looking at are advertised as not 'hubcentric". How do mount them concentric?
- I got a dr diff brake setup with 11.7" rotors/wilwood calipers front and 10.7" cobra set up in the Back. I had no issues with the rallyes. Any problems with clearances with the bigger wheels and those type brakes?
Appreciate the help
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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586811
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Non-hubcentric wheels will have tapered seats for conical lugnuts. I think a 9" wheel could mount either of those tires ok, check out the tire mfr's website, they will have published specs with recommended wheel widths for a given tire.

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Yep, a 9" wheel will be fine for either of those sizes. The larger size shows (for a Pirelli P Zero at least) as to suit a wheel width of 9" - 10.5", and the 275 will be great as well, I have used that size on 9's (and 10's) a bunch of times in the past.

As mentioned, the non-hub centric wheels just center off the lug nuts, no problem there...all the 2 piece wheels we use at least are the same way and have no issues at all.

I can't see a caliper issue either. Feets had the issue because of the very large body of the AMG caliper combined with the shape of the spoke he wanted in the Smoothie II.

I have a flat spoked wheel going on my Torana for instance that where made from the begining to go on road race cars with large caliper so does not need the deeper mounting pad like Feet's.
But with "normal" sized calipers it's not really an issue in most cases.

(Here is mine on the rear...an 18 x 10)


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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers

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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???

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Here is the Mustang Bullitt rim on my B body. These rims are 17x8 with 5.72 BS. They clear a 13 inch rotor with a Viper caliper. The 235/55 tire looks good on a B body car and clears everything without any bodywork.

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255/45/17 fronts, on 17x8 w/4.5" bs (I'm 99% sure on the bs)
295/45/18 rears, 18x9s, 5.9"bs + 7/16" wheel spacers (and longer studs for proper lug engagement)

I have the stock ebody spring location, and ride height (more or less).






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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.


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How much of a stiffer/ bumpier ride do you get withe 17's ?
Because of the shorter profile ?

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: sogtx] #586819
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How much of a stiffer/ bumpier ride do you get withe 17's ?
Because of the shorter profile ?




I didn't notice much change with mine. I did manage to keep a tall tire still which certainly helps. I did notice it was more responsive and held up on its wheels better through the average corner versus the old 15s.


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #586820
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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.



Goody:
Any issues with front wheel well clearance when turning Lock to lock. My car sits a little lower than yours with the hemi rear leafs and the 1" t bars cranked down
Glenn C

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586821
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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.



Goody:
Any issues with front wheel well clearance when turning Lock to lock. My car sits a little lower than yours with the hemi rear leafs and the 1" t bars cranked down
Glenn C




I have my front bars cranked down at least an inch. Used to rub with my ol, taller tires.


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #586822
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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.



Goody:
Any issues with front wheel well clearance when turning Lock to lock. My car sits a little lower than yours with the hemi rear leafs and the 1" t bars cranked down
Glenn C




I have my front bars cranked down at least an inch. Used to rub with my ol, taller tires.



Goody, I just calculated it out and realized there's insignificant difference in the 235-60-15 I have in the front now and the 245-45-17 you are using. The 4.75" rear offset keeps the c/l of the wheel in the same place and overall height is 25.6".... the 235-60-15s are 26", so the 17s are 3/8" wider and 3/8" shorter.... When all else fails do the math.
Are you using the rear spacers for asthetics or to provide extra clearance on the inside?
Sorry for all the questions, but i want to get this right
Glenn C

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586823
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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.



Goody:
Any issues with front wheel well clearance when turning Lock to lock. My car sits a little lower than yours with the hemi rear leafs and the 1" t bars cranked down
Glenn C




I have my front bars cranked down at least an inch. Used to rub with my ol, taller tires.



Goody, I just calculated it out and realized there's insignificant difference in the 235-60-15 I have in the front now and the 245-45-17 you are using. The 4.75" rear offset keeps the c/l of the wheel in the same place and overall height is 25.6".... the 235-60-15s are 26", so the 17s are 3/8" wider and 3/8" shorter.... When all else fails do the math.
Are you using the rear spacers for asthetics or to provide extra clearance on the inside?
Sorry for all the questions, but i want to get this right
Glenn C



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Actually I have 255/45/17 not 245/45/17s. The rear spacers are to keep the tire off the leaf spring. You can space out too much backspacing, but cannot add it. Which is why i went with more, and just spaced it to exactly what would clear.


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #586824
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Dont worry, the ubolts have been shortened lol

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #586825
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Front 17x8 4.75" BS 245/45/17
Rear 17x9.5 5.25" BS 275/50/17
B-body dana w/ DrDiff offset hangers




I got springs in the stock location. Will I be able to use 18x9 wheels without moving the springs???




Yes, see my post. 295s on 18x9s with stock spring location on my ebody.



Goody:
Any issues with front wheel well clearance when turning Lock to lock. My car sits a little lower than yours with the hemi rear leafs and the 1" t bars cranked down
Glenn C




I have my front bars cranked down at least an inch. Used to rub with my ol, taller tires.



Goody, I just calculated it out and realized there's insignificant difference in the 235-60-15 I have in the front now and the 245-45-17 you are using. The 4.75" rear offset keeps the c/l of the wheel in the same place and overall height is 25.6".... the 235-60-15s are 26", so the 17s are 3/8" wider and 3/8" shorter.... When all else fails do the math.
Are you using the rear spacers for asthetics or to provide extra clearance on the inside?
Sorry for all the questions, but i want to get this right
Glenn C



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Actually I have 255/45/17 not 245/45/17s. The rear spacers are to keep the tire off the leaf spring. You can space out too much backspacing, but cannot add it. Which is why i went with more, and just spaced it to exactly what would clear.



Goody:
-How much clearance do you have above the rear tire (wheel well)? You definitely got more arch in the rear leafs than I do
-Did you have to trim the rear wheel well lips?
Glenn C

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586826
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-How much clearance do you have above the rear tire (wheel well)? You definitely got more arch in the rear leafs than I do
-Did you have to trim the rear wheel well lips?
Glenn C




They are super stock springs with lowering blocks on them (used to like the raked look). The height of the springs does pretty much nothing for me, the tire will stuff very far into the well.

The lip was rolled lightly from my previous tires, however there is my tire to 1/4 panel clearance. These were all taken a few years ago, so I'm a bit rusty on it things were fitting. Plenty of room for the stock lip all the way around.

Again with using a spacer you can really fine tune the tire in the well. As you could see in the earlier picture I had room to stick it closer to the spring if i wanted to

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #586827
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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: sogtx] #586828
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Seems like the kind of thing where sure, two piece wheels are lighter, but how many of us really NEED them to be that light? I suspect that if you really need light wheels, then you probably doing some serious autocrossing/racing. Street driving? (like most of do) I don't see the need.

I really like the coys wheels I have been researching the heck out the right sizes for my car and the backspaces they offer are very close to what others are using (on 2nd gen B bodies at least)

One thing about the coys that you don't see in too many other budget wheels is the soft lip they have. I think that makes a huge difference in how "deep" a wheel looks. and as for made in china...how many of the big dollar wheels are made offshore? I don't know that answer, but If it's like everything else, it's probably way more than any of us thinks.

There a ton of cheap wheels out there, but most don't even come in the right offsets for our cars.

I like the C57 polished, looks similar to a boyd shrike/rally.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Pool Fixer] #586829
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It's wierd this came back up. I was just about to post in the general section, what a pain in the a$$ it is to install these wheels....
I ended up buying 17x8 and 18x9 torq thrust with 245 45 17 front and 285 40 18 rear. The cost, the wheel spacers, the extra long wheel studs...etc etc..I guess the point I'm trying to make is you don't just chuck these wheels on and go

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586830
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One thing for some to consider, though you have already made your purchase, are the Mickey Thompson street radial tires. They sell them the same way they do slicks pretty much. I put them on the 18's I put on my van. I run Centerline Softail wheels, 18 x 8" front, 18 x 9.5" rear, Mickey Thompson SSR's 26 x 10 x 18 front, 28 x 12 x 18 rear. Good wet/dry tire, but like most tires, crap in the snow! Course, I make it a rule to not drive my van in the snow unless on accident! lol Hope that helps someone!

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: sogtx] #586831
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https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post5748072




anyone know what happened to this post , Was it deleted because there was useful info from Bill reilly on it ? Its not an old Post ????

Are you kidding me ..

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: sogtx] #586832
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looking at these.. to fit in this wheelwell

is there an approved Mopar vendor that sells

Billet Specialties stuff ?????


[image]http://www.billetspecialties.com/itemdetail.asp?cid=16&scid=257&pid=1074[/image]

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: BDW] #586833
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Here's my set-up

Rims are American Racing Torq-Thrust
ARE-105MS7865B
ARE-105MS8965B

Dr Diff 1" relocation kit gives me about 1" clearance from tire to leaf spring on each side.

17x8 (4.5" BS) up frt - 17/225/50 (25.9") $95 each
18x9 (6" BS) in rear - 18/275/40 (26.7") $115 each

I looked at the 285's for the rear but it was almost $100 more per tire. I looked for common sizes to keep the cost down.




What tire brand and model are those at that price?

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: ramman5600] #586834
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I think these old Mopars look awesome with the bigger wheels, just gotta have the proper tire fitment also.

18's on my Cobra

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: ProSport] #586835
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They've gone up a little, this is an old thread, but Sumitomo's are hard to beat for the price.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?...romCompare1=yes

Hit the other sizes & price tab for full list.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: BDW] #586836
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They've gone up a little, this is an old thread, but Sumitomo's are hard to beat for the price.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?...romCompare1=yes

Hit the other sizes & price tab for full list.




Up almost 40%. Any thoughts on Nitto? Looks to be a little less than sumitomo.

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: ramman5600] #586837
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They've gone up a little, this is an old thread, but Sumitomo's are hard to beat for the price.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?...romCompare1=yes

Hit the other sizes & price tab for full list.




Up almost 40%. Any thoughts on Nitto? Looks to be a little less than sumitomo.




I would run nittos again - outhandled my falken azenis with the same tread rating...

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: sogtx] #586838
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looking at these.. to fit in this wheelwell

is there an approved Mopar vendor that sells

Billet Specialties stuff ?????


[image]http://www.billetspecialties.com/itemdetail.asp?cid=16&scid=257&pid=1074[/image]

link to pic




I saved it on my computer since it had some great info:

Hey Andy. Glad to see the car's coming together. Wheel selection can be a hair-puller. Finding a design you like, in the size you need to fit the hardware, but still providing the right "look", could drive you insane. Most of my customers are about the same as you(myself included), in that they really want a nice corner burner, but they dont want to give up the classic look of the car. I spend alot of time searching wheel and tire sizes that can do both. Many of them liken 17" rims to teenagers in Hondas, which is reasonable to assume until you start looking into it. First, let me say that 15" wheels with the Alterktion will only allow 3.25" of backspacing - more than that will hit the tie rod end. In a B-body, this limits you just a few 15x7 wheels. I am able to do a small mod that allows the 15x7 Rally's, but that wouldn't apply here.
In a 16, the backspace limit is the same, but the tire selection is so bad, it wouldn't be worth it anyway. Even in a 15, tire selection is quickly disappearing as 17's become the norm, and companies are cutting budgets in smaller markets - check out T/A Radials - the list of sizes now is less than half of what it was in '08.
Anyway, the magic number is 17" - smaller is a fitment hassle and 15's still have a certain "floaty" feeling in turns because of the tall sidewalls. If you go to 18's, you're starting to get into the lower-profile tires that have the blingy look and a more harsh ride quality. Although 18's do handle better. In a 17, the tire and wheel selections are just enormous at this point, and they will be available for years to come. The ride quality is still very nice, as there's enough sidewall to be flexible, and you can put sizes on that retain the musclecar look. With a 26" on the front and a 28 or so on the back, if you select a classic wheel design like a torque thrust, very few people will even realize it's not a 15, especially in the bigger cars. That said, there are a million possibilities when you get into the details, but in general, the classic idea of 8" front rims and 10" rears works out great. Find a front tire in the 26X9 range and a rear around 28x11 and I think you'll be very happy with the look and ability.
From a personal opinion, I lean heavily towards the 5-spoke torque thrust look - I'm an A-body guy, which requires more backspace, so the Bullet knock-offs are my wheel of choice and are pretty cheap. Americanmuscle is mustang parts place and they have a whole bunch of wheel sizes in that 5-poke design. A bit too much backspace for B and E cars though. In your car, you should stick with about 5" of backspace - 4.5" will work too, but I prefer to use 5" to get the wheel inboard more. These days, we're using a narrower track width, but on yours 5" would be best.
For tires, I know there are millions, but I'm a fan of Nitto's. Their website also has very handy(and accurate) charts with all of the tires they offer, so it's easy to pick out the right sizes. And regardless of size, I've found DiscountTire to be the easiest place to order and just about the best price.

I just went through this with my own car again, but used 14" brakes. I really wanted 17's, but the brakes required 18's and I had to compromise. In the end, when the car's on the ground, you dont really notice. A few friends of mine are very old-school purists, and even they mentioned you dont notice the 18's unless you stare at it. So I'm happy with the results, even though it's a little different than what I originally envisioned.


There is one problem-wheel on the market that I think all people should made aware of - The 17" Magnum 500 wheel is often chosen because it retains the original look but allows 17" tires. The problem is, it still uses the smaller center, and has a step in the hoop to go up to 17. So although it allows a 17" tire, it DOES NOT allow the bigger aftermarket brakes - Just an FYI while I'm thinking of it


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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: ramman5600] #586839
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They've gone up a little, this is an old thread, but Sumitomo's are hard to beat for the price.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?...romCompare1=yes

Hit the other sizes & price tab for full list.




Up almost 40%. Any thoughts on Nitto? Looks to be a little less than sumitomo.




Where you getting your Nitto's, looks to be 25% higher?

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/nitto/size/viewProductDetail.do?pc=40146

Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586840
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17's on the DART 255 45 17 out back, prob. too low for an E body. 5 3/4 BS, on 9 inch

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: Crocker] #586841
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18 inch on a 71 B. Closer to an E in size etc.
7 inch fronts 235 50 18 4.5 back space. 10 inch rear 305 45 18 5.5 BS, rear pads moved in 1.5 each side.

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Re: Upgrade to 17 or 18" wheels/tires...need help [Re: BDW] #586842
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They've gone up a little, this is an old thread, but Sumitomo's are hard to beat for the price.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?...romCompare1=yes

Hit the other sizes & price tab for full list.




Up almost 40%. Any thoughts on Nitto? Looks to be a little less than sumitomo.




Where you getting your Nitto's, looks to be 25% higher?

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/nitto/size/viewProductDetail.do?pc=40146





I think that I might have looked up 17" by accident.

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