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Bracket racing is so gay

and the index racing I mean come on

Good luck finding what you are looking for...

perhaps and 11.40 smallblock dart class with 750cfm carb, best 2 out of 3

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Bracket racing is so gay

and the index racing I mean come on

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perhaps and 11.40 smallblock dart class with 750cfm carb, best 2 out of 3

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Well, as for bracket racing being gay, it's alot more technical than first the finish line stuff. And class racing is even harder. The reason for brackets and classes is so the one with the most money didn't win every week. So.....you must have alot of money! But some of us don't and still like to compete, at a very high level I might add. Top Sportsman might be a good class for you if you think bracket racing is gay.

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Good luck finding what you are looking for...

perhaps and 11.40 smallblock dart class with 750cfm carb, best 2 out of 3

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pretty sure megadarts comments are sarcasm

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FYI, Top Sportsman is fast bracket racing

c'mon .90 racing is tough? If I had enough bananas I could teach a monkey to do it!

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I realise that alot of people make money at it and thats great ,but its just not as fun to watch IMO ,as a heads up deal.I race just for fun and dont really care if i win or not .

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good thing you don't care if you win and like watching. you'll get to do a lot of both running heads up. racing has changed dramatically over the years. trying to keep cars evenly matched rarely if ever works. i don't think anyone is really in love with bracket racing but otherwise it's a test of finances as opposed to skill. any of the jokers that think the "box" drives the car would get trailered in short order.

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any of the jokers that think the "box" drives the car would get trailered in short order.

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what'ya mean
I thought if I put a 9.90 in there and had one of those throttle stop thingy's that's what the car would run? It that why I been losing all those rounds?

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pretty sure megadarts comments are sarcasm

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FYI, Top Sportsman is fast bracket racing

c'mon .90 racing is tough? If I had enough bananas I could teach a monkey to do it!

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I think we are losing track of matter at hand.99% of the guys that are racing at the events i attend ( pre 65 Nostalgia )are working guys like me .There is no big $$$ to be gained if we win.I am just looking for another way to have us race heads up ,and be somewhat even.There are usually 200 + cars at these events ranging from 8's (only a couple) all the way up to 19's ...

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Then the 9.50 10.00 ,10.50 11.00 and up might work ,still looks like bracket racing . No track is going to spend the time to do weight,HP ,what mod are done to each.Get them down the track get a winner shut the gates ,turn the lites off .
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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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how would you know? you haven't done either

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you tell'em Dave test n tune is soooo much more exciting...

you have obviously never won a round in your life cause you would realize the excitement of participating.

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hey now, he has polished a lot of lug nuts at the race track

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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I'll take consistantly winning over racing once or twice a year anytime.

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I am into Nostalgia type drags (pre 65) and most of the events that i attend all over are heads up.There are a few that are pushing for a dial in type platform to make it more even .The problem is i and others dont like it .Is there another wat to make it more even ,besides a handicap start?

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Yes, just get rid of all the other rules and allow any combo. Then you will not be the fastest car out there and see how you like paying to race with no chance of winning.

The Nostalgia thing is very cool and I like the fun of it with heads-up start etc. But the reason most tracks run brackets is to keep the cost to be competitive down. Any car can win on any given day.

IMO, the best "Nostalgia" thing to do is have pure no-electronics in the car. No button, no trans brake, nothing! Then make it 0.500" pro tree, heads up index classes (not too many, maybe 3). The raceers will either put weight in the car, positive stop the throttle, or fender race. That is a fun combination. A car too fast for the index can get eliminated by red light or break-out (running under the index). But a good fender racer can do well, but he must cut a light or he will break-out against a good racer running the number.

Avoid complicated rules that can't be inforced from cheating. Like, "I took the wire off the trans-brake". No, the brake cannot be in the transmission. It is too easy to hook up and disconnect when people are not looking. Same with all electronics. Make everyone worry about red light starts, so everyone must drive both ends of the track.

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i went to one of the type races the orignal poster races(h.a.m.b. drags)at,very different,but still on bracket format.yes even though they put you in the class they think you fall into(they look at your car body style)you could be a 15 sec car and have 8 sec cars in your class.i'm not sure whether he is trying to equal the feild for him or his competition either way its still gona be bracket racing, unless they go back to flag starts.

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Ha ,ha ,ha, i would like to eqaul the field for myself sure Sam ,but there are alot of guys that are getting the shaft besides me at these events.They are wanting to change it to a bracket deal becasue of it.I myself dont mind losing as long as i dont have to lose and see my oponets tail lights at the stripe.I realise that you and many others make $ on occasion at Braket racing ,but its just not my thing .No offence intended to anyone .Just a difference of opinion is all.Thats why they make chocolate and vanilla.I was just looking for an alternative way to make these type of events more even and keep it heads up ,so everyones happy ...

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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Yes I have! I have watched bracket racing, and it is BOOOOORRRRRING!!!!!! As a matter of fact, YOU ARE BOOOOOOORRRRRING, MR. CONSISTENCY CONTENDER!!!

BTW, you bracket guys are SOOOO sensitive and therefore SOOOO easy to tweak!!

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Spectators....That's why they have "National Events" Local tracks depend on and cater to "Racers" OH and just an FYI: Chocolate & Vanilla cost the same

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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Yes I have! I have watched bracket racing, and it is BOOOOORRRRRING!!!!!! As a matter of fact, YOU ARE BOOOOOOORRRRRING, MR. CONSISTENCY CONTENDER!!!

BTW, you bracket guys are SOOOO sensitive and therefore SOOOO easy to tweak!!

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You haven't tweaked me in the lest bit,I've race in many different venues of dragracing and BGR racers are competitive and successfull and have been for over 40 years,we could care less what you think.Opinions are like butt holes,everyone has one,your no exception.Do what you enjoy and watch what you like,many of us would rather be in the "show" while other talk a good game.Different strokes for different folks and some just like to stroke. No sensitivity here,just telling it like it is.

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I was just looking for an alternative way to make these type of events more even and keep it heads up ,so everyones happy ...

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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I just paid $450 for a car that I'll put a few hundred more into and go run 19s at the local tracks.

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Maybe i should try and explain this better.Heres the deal at the Nostalgia events that i go to the theme is to have racing like they would on a country road somewhere (but legal on a Dragstrip).If you were racing on a country road you would drop a flag and go ,and the first one to the stripe would win.The problem we have now is that there are too many different level of cars running ,ranging from 8's to 19's.We only have 5 classes .One being stock ,another being Gas coupe/sedan (which is about 80% of the cars),dragster ,flatheads and 6 cylinders ,and Comp Coupe.I use to have a 13.5 4 spd Falcon that i drove up to 300 miles to events ,raced and drove back.I kept getting whipped by the trailered 11 and 12 second cars in Gas coupe/sedan class.I sold that car and decided to go with a cheap race only car ,hence my 64 Dart that i bought from Sam on here.It was running 11.90's - 12.00's when i got it and i did some cheap work and got it down to the 11.40's .I figured i would have a good chance of running the field in that class now.The guys that put it on saw that i was running faster than everyone else with a simular car ,and put me in the Comp class.Now im right back where i started with the other car,just in a higher class.I am a little frustrated sure ,but trying to give these guys another way to do it .Some thing like cubic inch / weight .I and others just dont want to bracket race at these events .If its not heads up then we have no insentive to try and go faster.Thats where i have my fun ,challenging myself each time out ,to go faster than the last time .I was just hoping to get some ideas on another way to do it ,not trying to run down what you may like to do ...

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Why don't you just spray the pants off it and you can keep up with the faster cars in the class. Or, you can always practice with a pocket porta-tree and go bracket racing.

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I just paid $450 for a car that I'll put a few hundred more into and go run 19s at the local tracks.

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did you buy that out of toledo? slant 6? I think i may have looked at the same car awhile ago.

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Nope, from Cleveland. It was taking up space in my friend's driveway, so it made it's way to me.

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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Spoken like someone who doesn't race. Even though hitting your number is the name of the game, there's not a bracket racer out there that still isn't spending every extra dollar he has, and busting his knuckles on a regular basis to get his car to go as fast as possible. Racing is racing. index, bracket, heads up, class..... its all good!, and its all fun!

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This is why I try never to call S/ST S/G S/C T/S & T/D "Racing"..

I call it a "Competition"..

That should make you happy..

Anyways.. Competing in this boring "S/ST" Class has netted me 5 "Wallys".... Wanna See a pair?? They don't give them out for spectating and bad mouthing..Sorry..


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I like racing.... period... bracket, heads up, what ever
but lets face it, you better have a BIG wallet to
race heads up(which I dont have) so thats why I bracket
race. In bracket racing you can still run as fast as
you want but need to be consistent. I stepped up my
car so I wasnt always the first to leave(first red
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Thats the only thing we have in this area...These guys around here are absolute sharks on the tree and driving the strip... To win on any given weekend at my local race tracks, you would pretty much need to cut double O'h lights and run dead on within a 3 number...Think Im kiddin

Shoot to even place in foot brake class these guys cut O-teen lights, and run dead on also..

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I am into Nostalgia type drags (pre 65) and most of the events that i attend all over are heads up.There are a few that are pushing for a dial in type platform to make it more even .The problem is i and others dont like it.

I race just for fun and dont really care if i win or not

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When you say "pre 65" nostalgia drags would I guess your talking about the HAMB style drags. Those guys only race a few times a year and are more about living in the past, and that includes the claim of cheap fun. The cheapest fun in drag racing ever invented is bracketing racing. But then again "that ain't how we did it in the old days".

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Let me see if I can summarize this thread.

Heads Up Racing = Expensive
Bracket Racing = Boring
Index Racing = Really Boring
Practical Alternative = None
Revisiting an old discussion ad infinitum = Priceless

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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All this coming from a person who wasnt good at either heads up or bracket racing. You did the right thing and sold the car.

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This just enforces why I call him DB DAVE E/mail me for the translation .Bracket racers make up the majority of racers at EVERY track .Some of you are not interested in going any faster or just improving the tune while others are always thinking of ways to go faster.I like seeing people that I do not get to see often,hanging out tween rounds and enjoying the SKIRT steaks.DB DAVE is just another keyboard jockey here to stir He is not a racer,never was,never will be.DB DAVE,put the pipe down and walk away from the computer.

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Bracket racing isn't boring if your track does it right. They can match "similar" dials and it's almost heads up. Plus they do have fast and slow brackets. Not every track runs 16-10 second cars in the same bracket class. As a matter of fact most have several classes. For your heads up racing they have plenty of events during the year.

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Bracket racing is BOOOOOOORRRRRRING to watch. I don't care how hard it is, to the spectator, it's BOOOOOOORRRRRRING. To call it a form of racing is ridiculous. In every other form of motorsports, whoever gets to the finish line first, wins. In every other form of motorsports, you don't lose for going too fast. It really should be called Consistency Contest. It's about consistency, not racing.

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Bracket racing isn't boring if your track does it right. They can match "similar" dials and it's almost heads up. Plus they do have fast and slow brackets. Not every track runs 16-10 second cars in the same bracket class. As a matter of fact most have several classes. For your heads up racing they have plenty of events during the year.

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I'm thinking of a half dozen tracks off the top of my head (some in MD) that run a pro, super pro, street class set up. I haven't seen tracks run "similar" dials classes in nigh on to 20 years! dagnambit!

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75/80 has those classes and a 14 slower class. I believe it's Super Pro (old class 1) Pro (old class 2) Street, and 2 trophy classes one is for 14 and slower.

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I understand your point, but they do try and match up racers. If you are in line dailed at 12.0 and the guy behind you is a 13.5 and the guy behind him is a 12.20, they will pull the slower car aside and make the two faster cars go. And I think Super Pro is 10.99 and faster w/ eletronics, 2 is anything no electronics??? S/E is the closet to heads up

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...i have never heard of such a thing...so your saying, durning a regular weekend bracket race(round-robin style). the track your describing actually moves cars around in the staging lanes to make the best(closest) race? ..can't imagine why they would do that..might as well just call them to the staging lanes by car # to make sure they get the best pairings..?

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I understand your point, but they do try and match up racers. If you are in line dailed at 12.0 and the guy behind you is a 13.5 and the guy behind him is a 12.20, they will pull the slower car aside and make the two faster cars go. And I think Super Pro is 10.99 and faster w/ eletronics, 2 is anything no electronics??? S/E is the closet to heads up

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...i have never heard of such a thing...so your saying, durning a regular weekend bracket race(round-robin style). the track your describing actually moves cars around in the staging lanes to make the best(closest) race? ..can't imagine why they would do that..might as well just call them to the staging lanes by car # to make sure they get the best pairings..?

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