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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: m46rat] #57938
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The back of the one pictured above and the others have Pontonier and 600-1.

I made a stupid mistake, I only have two white banded buckles, the other two are like one in pic below.

The one in pic below states 300-1 patent no. 3393433

The others state p-535.

One member said his rear buckles were missing, but identical & like in my case, only the front white banded buckles were installed.

I bought the car in 1994 when nobody cared about or hardly knew about these cars, I see no reason as the other member here why they were tampered with, and even found a factory safety hazard warning label that stated 'seat belts loose' still attached to seat belt bolt once rear seat was removed.

I don't mind taking time away tonight to help resolve issue for my education on E Body & any future reference.



Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: ebodyseast] #57939
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If your car is a hardtop and was made in Detroit all the buckles will be Pontonier. If it was made in Los Angeles it will have the American Safety belts. Is your car a hardtop or convertible? Is the single belt that you have with the C15 type buckle(s) a double belt or a single belt? Can you post a pic. of what the end that bolts to the floor looks like?

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: m46rat] #57940
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Rear.
Here is the Pontonier deluxe:

Here is the Pontonier standard:

Here is the ends of both:


Does anyone have a good picture of the 71 style deluxe buckle? Oddly enough, I have a 71 Dodge 1000 truck here with what I think is those (71) buckles.

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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: ebodyseast] #57941
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One member said his rear buckles were missing, but identical & like in my case, only the front white banded buckles were installed.

I bought the car in 1994 when nobody cared about or hardly knew about these cars, I see no reason as the other member here why they were tampered with, and even found a factory safety hazard warning label that stated 'seat belts loose' still attached to seat belt bolt once rear seat was removed.





The other back-seat-belt-less C15 member here, checking back in.

There is little mystery as to the source of the belts currently in the back seat of my convertible. I put them there. I did it so that my offspring would have belts whilest sitting there. I had no belts back there because they got removed, and the culprit was almost certainly me during the early and foolish part of my three decades of ownership. The back seats were in and out numerous times over the years, to redo upholstery (or at least freshen-up the duct tape), pound on the rear window motors, and sop up the hydraulic fluid spewed out of the broken top lift line. As I write this, it occurs to me and my swiss-cheese memory that I likely removed the belts at a point where they had soaked up a bunch of ATF, intending at the time to clean or replace them (and never did so).

Being good at math and having exactly three children (to my knowledge), that is the number of '71 belts I bolted back there in more recent times.

Question: The back seat of a convertible provides a narrower area for passengers than that of a roofed car. Anyone know for certain the number of belts provided back there by the factory?


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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: 68HemiB] #57942
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"Question: The back seat of a convertible provides a narrower area for passengers than that of a roofed car. Anyone know for certain the number of belts provided back there by the factory?"

I am not positive from remembering the cars (more time in the drivers seat ;-)) but the parts book lists two only, and the center or third belt only for A/B/C bodies, however, there are changes as to the body styles in the book (before or during print, not by a parts guy). In my mind that eludes to the possiblity of some early cars having them, or issues with the vert like you say. The problem I always have with the terms "always" or "never" is that with Chrysler, it was never that.

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For 70 E Bodies there is one male and one female belt for the TWO passengers in the back seat, NO exceptions. You could also get the ultra rare rear shoulder belts for the two rear passengers, but only on a hardtop car, of course. No provision was ever made for a center person in the back seat.

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my 4 speed T/A has the C15 option. pictures attached.

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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: m46rat] #57947
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You could also get the ultra rare rear shoulder belts for the two rear passengers, but only on a hardtop car, of course.




If anyone has a pic of these factory rear seat shoulder belts in an E body, I'd LOVE to see it. I have the pic in the Factory Service Manual, but have never seen the real thing. (or even met anyone who has claimed to see the real thing) They are RARE!

(Hey M46, I'm guessing those rear shoulder belts have there own part #. Do you know if ECS makes the tags for those?)

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Lets not forget about the shoulder belts for front passengers in a conv E Body, only ever saw one car that had them...

Here is a IC bezel laying in the floor pans of a chopped '72 Challenger from this weekend at the JY in PA I love to visit, 'Fasten Seat Belts.'

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Tav: Always happy to post what I know for you! Part number for those rear shoulder belts is: 4771 The seven digit number is: 2999 589 I am sure Dave at ECS would make them for you if you provide him with the information and date code you need. I believe he only makes labels for Detroit made cars though. The L.A. made cars use different tags and I don't think he is set up to make them, maybe he will chime in and comment.

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Thanks Dwight!

Ebodyseast, this may have already been posted earlier, but if not, here's some info... That round seat belt light up by the instrument cluster in your pics if I recall correctly, is found on 72, 73, 74 E bodies, barracudas & challengers, and should be on all of them, standard & rallye dash, because the seat belt light became mandatory.

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It was mentioned earlier Tav, and I remembered this weekend while at the JY, so when I saw it I thought for lack of any other pics, these two would suffice for any documentation....raunchy and delapidated as it is!

You are quite an authority on E Bodys your self and its great to have you as a new friend on the forum.

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I was going to make a new post, but thought this was a good place for this. Going through the boxes of Pontonier belts I have here, I came across this (Pontonier stamped on metal) but it has no tag on it. Could this be the E body convertible shoulder belt!!??

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I haven't seen a set in person, but I don't think the E convertible shoulder belts had retractors. It would just be a really long belt. Maybe someone else will chime in?

Tav

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I am not sure, the "move for exit" sticker seemed really odd though...

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Are they from out of a Mopar getitgone or are you clueless what Make and Model its from and do you only have the one or both? Either way, an exceptional find. I can vaguely recall the only conv I've seen with shoulder belts was only for driver & their front passenger and the front bucket seats had a bracket at top on side for the belt to slide through like in most modern conv's with shoulder belts. Is there a provision for that?
Somebody definitely has to get in on this and enlighten us and with more pics too!

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