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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: beepbeep] #57918
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Yes Joe it's leather.

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with everyone here. Some statements may be slightly incomplete, but all are correct.

(except maybe what big money lewis said about 71 belts in 70 B bodies. He could be right, but I'm not knowlegable enough on B bodies to comment on that one. I know it doesn't apply to E bodies though.)

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with everyone here. Some statements may be slightly incomplete, but all are correct.

(except maybe what big money lewis said about 71 belts in 70 B bodies. He could be right, but I'm not knowlegable enough on B bodies to comment on that one. I know it doesn't apply to E bodies though.)

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I noticed that too.
BML said (bolding mine):

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That seat belt light was used on 1970 B body cars as well, when you had the C15 deluxe seat belt package. As previously mentioned, it gave you the 71 style seatbelts.




I choose to interpret "71 style" as his quick distinction between push-button as opposed to flip-top, and NOT a claim of button shape / no perimeter white /etc. Then the planets are all in alignment.


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Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: BS27ROB] #57921
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My '70 is just like the car BS27ROB has.

It does not have the C15 option on fender tag or BCS. It is coded for the L73 and has leather interior that was standard on conv's.

I'd like to know what he wanted to know...why no code C15?

Does have the '70 seat belts that were posted above with white perimeter.

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: ebodyseast] #57922
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What I don't understand is what got the light coded on my car. I don't have C15 as an option, the car has standard belts. Its a Cuda not Gran Coupe, so was it part of the leather seat option? I've never seen that stated anywhere, and I've been shown examples where that doesn't seem to be the case.

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When we discussed it before, BS27R0Bs car was the only one anyone could find equipped like that and had the seat belt light. If I recall, we were shown other cars similarly equipped that did NOT come with the seat belt light. There seems to be nothing that indicates his car should have a seat belt light. Maybe it was a factory mistake, we may never know. If it's on the broadcast sheet, then keep it.

Ebodyseast, your car sounds like it has the entire C15 Deluxe seat belt package, not just the seat belt light. Another part of that package are some male buckle shaped brackets screwed to the front of the seats to clip the female buckles onto when not in use, to keep them from getting beat up. Do you have those brackets on your seats? If you've got the whole package, and it's not coded, then maybe it's a typo . More info needed.

Maybe now that we've got two cars coded L73 and NOT C15 we can compare them and learn something? Would the two of you post all your broadcast sheet data for us to compare?

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The dash frame has a hole where this or the 4 spd reverse bezel is mounted.





Hey guys, I just noticed this (above quote). Is that correct? I was thinking the seat belt light (when equipped) was always mounted in the same location regardless of the presence of a reverse light.

Is the seatbelt light really mounted where the reverse light would go?

Tav

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Beepbeep earlier alludes to the intersection of GC/SE models with C15. Perhaps simply the intersection of overhead console [which would already have a seat belt light] with C15. Now we're beyond hearsay, into the land of speculation by your humble poster.




correct, overhead console cars don't get the seat belt light on the dash because they already have one on the console.

Let's turn it around though...

Do Grand Coupe convertibles have a seat belt light on the dash since they don't have an overhead console? What about their low fuel/door ajar systems?

Tav

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: cataclysm80] #57926
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My car was hardly an original owner survivor in 1993 when I took over ownership...car was 23 yeas old.

The conv top was replaced in 1985 and still looked brand new in 1993. The front and rear seats still looked and felt new too. I was given the reciept for the new top but not for new seats. After my pre-existing knowledge and that gained since, I could tell the white leather seat material had been reupholstered at some point.

Most E Body seats were torn to shreds by 1993 and it would be no wonder the leather seats in my car after 100K and 23 years were also shot and previously replaced. I never cared much and dreamed like others of new white leather from Legendary. Life is nothing without our dreams boys.

During my search I looked at what JC Whitney had and found what looked to be identical pair in the white 'vinyl' seat skins w/ little dots/holes they may still currently sell. The original leather was probably replaced with these, an excellent low cost alternative to original as they are very nice fit & quality.

I can imagine now, after Tav posting there to be a presence of brackets for the deluxe front seat belts and some idiot in the reupholstery shop, saying to himself while reskinning the seats back in the day "what the heck are these for?" and then throwing them away. So the long drawn out answer is no, the brackets were either MIA when I got her or were never there at all.

BCS info:
PRXW and C55 bucket seats/C16 console:
A01
LO5/11/15/25/31/65/73/74/76

Maybe the cars are optioned similarly in this way.
Hey BS27ROB...I showed you mine...!!!

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: ebodyseast] #57927
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E East: Do any of your belts have the white label with part number on them?? If they do, could you please post the seven digit number that you find on each tag for us. That will tell if they are original E Body C15 belts.

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: cataclysm80] #57928
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Tav: Gran Coupe convertibles have no provision for any of the overhead console stuff associated with a GC hardtop. Yes, they do have the seat belt light on the dash when so equipped with the 70 only C15 belts. I will look for the picture of the aformentioned Spring Fling car I referenced earlier in this post.

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Here is a pic of the harness needed for the light.

My connector shows two light bulbs hooked in there. The second lamp wire is way longer than the seat belt lamp wire. Any clue where the other bulb goes to?

Also seen in pic is the connector for the turn signal switch bulb in column.

Re: 70 E dash seat belt light and bezel [Re: ebodyseast] #57930
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Title lamp.


Amazing how an unchallenged lie can become the absolute truth.
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Here goes m46rat - working on wiring problems and forgot to post part numbers.

The white banded front belts with push button, only one still has a label & simply reads 'Chrysler Corp 1970' - one of the others has the same label with no part number...just a date: 1970

The other 3 that do still have labels/numbers:
4749 2999587 1969-3
4749 2999587 1970-2
4770 2999631 1970-2

Seems weird that a 1970 has a belt that has a 'part number' reaching beyond its model year...is this a way the factory took out a patent or maybe the wrong year belt.

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Where is the title lamp beepbeep? It's probably so simple...thanks for the answer!

The FSM mentions this is also a port for a Gran Coupe wiring if a title lamp is not pluggd in there, the other harnesses I have that had no seat belt light and no column witch light but had the title light were simply capped or plugged on the end.

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It lights up the switch panel.


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This must be the intended lamp housing, its the only one I have left with no home!

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Nick: The 2999 631 part number is the same for all four rear seat belts(two short male belts and two long female(with clasp type buckle NOT push button) in a 70 NON C15 belted E Body car. The 2999 587 part number is for the two front "pull" type belts that are under the front carpet on the left side of the drivers seat and the right side of the passenger seat. They are exactly the same belts used for both C15 and non C15 equipped 70 E Bodies. The date code you mention 1970-2 is indicative of the second quarter of 1970(Spring) and is thus fine for 1970 cars. The correct C15 equipped rear seat belts are all numbered 3508 581 and the part number(as per the parts book) is 4786(they are 1970 only and E Body only, for both hard top and convertible). If your car is a real C15 equipped car, then someone has changed out the seat belts(at least the rear ones) on you. Are the numbers you listed the only ones you can find for the belts in your car? Let me know.

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Some labels/tags are completely MIA.

There are only two total styled like the one in pic below, for the front seats I guess. The other two for rear seat are different and unlike any pictured. And reads 'Chrysler Corp 1970'.
Those were the only part numbers - I did supply all that I have. Thanks for explaining what the numbers mean m46.

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Do the backs of the C15 buckles have American Safety or Pontonier stamped into the chrome back?

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