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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JohnRR] #55529
03/31/08 01:47 PM 03/31/08 01:47 PM
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" I hear of others bolting, riviting, and even welding the shafts togeather."
Thanks for the input guys.
I'll stick to my method for now.
Jules



my father had to be cut out of a 65 mustang that he was pinned in when he tangled with a 54 olds , it wasn't pretty .



Back in the old days there were no collasable columns. The real kiss of death were the cars with the gear box out in front of the axle. Ouch,,,, That had to hurt.....
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55530
03/31/08 02:05 PM 03/31/08 02:05 PM
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" I hear of others bolting, riviting, and even welding the shafts togeather."
Thanks for the input guys.
I'll stick to my method for now.
Jules


OMG Jules don't weld mine
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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: KillerBee] #55531
03/31/08 02:11 PM 03/31/08 02:11 PM
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Thanks for the info.

I'm currently going from manual steering to power in my 1971 Challenger.
From what you see will it be possible to collapse my longer manual steering shaft by hammering the shaft in and make it work on a power steering box?



So how about the oposite. Can a power shaft be lengthend to fit a manual box?
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: CUDAJAS] #55532
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I would say not a good idea. You would not be left with enough solid shaft entering the tube shaft.
Robert, I would never do that to you.
Jules
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55533
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Really nice pics Jules. You do Great work.

Thanks

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: RoadRunner] #55534
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I am not sure I would use epoxy either. I think it would bond the two halves together.



Would it work to put an extremely thin layer of grease to the areas the epoxy is exposed to to keep from bonding the two pieces together?
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: CUDAJAS] #55535
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Thanks for the info.

I'm currently going from manual steering to power in my 1971 Challenger.
From what you see will it be possible to collapse my longer manual steering shaft by hammering the shaft in and make it work on a power steering box?



So how about the oposite. Can a power shaft be lengthend to fit a manual box?



I think they sell an adaptor for that.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: CUDAJAS] #55536
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Thanks for the info.

I'm currently going from manual steering to power in my 1971 Challenger.
From what you see will it be possible to collapse my longer manual steering shaft by hammering the shaft in and make it work on a power steering box?



So how about the oposite. Can a power shaft be lengthend to fit a manual box?



I think they sell an adaptor for that.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: KillerBee] #55537
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Thank you Bryan.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: KillerBee] #55538
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Thanks for the info.

I'm currently going from manual steering to power in my 1971 Challenger.
From what you see will it be possible to collapse my longer manual steering shaft by hammering the shaft in and make it work on a power steering box?



So how about the oposite. Can a power shaft be lengthend to fit a manual box?



I think they sell an adaptor for that.





Yeah, I know but it is ugly!!!!(and pricy)

Thanks Jules. I have a power column but will rethink using it. Maybe look for a trade.

Jas
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: CUDAJAS] #55539
03/31/08 06:16 PM 03/31/08 06:16 PM
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I'll take some pics tonight to show the difference.
Jules
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55540
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In this first picture you have a manual shaft on the bottom undergoing some finishing work to hide some pitting.
The tube shaft above it is for a power steering application. These are e body shafts. Notice the different length
of the solid lower portion.
Jules

4319729-y001.jpg (190 downloads)
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55541
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In this next picture I have lined up the solid part of the upper shaft. These upper shafts are the same in length.
Jules

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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55542
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Notice what happens at the junction portion. If one were to simply pull on a power shaft to
lengthen it to make it a manual you would not have enough shaft left to play things safe.
From manual to power is okay but not the opposite.
Jules

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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55543
03/31/08 11:41 PM 03/31/08 11:41 PM
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What about some of the thermoplastics or thermoset plastics. Perhaps those plastic welding rods(for repairing plastic parts) have the right properties to melt into the grooves at some temperature(?). A temperature that is low enough to work with to fill the grooves and pin holes in the shaft, but not low enough to melt in the hot summer sun. Perhaps you could heat the shaft to say 250-350 degrees C, melt the plastic into the grooves, then cool the shaft. Seems like it could be possible, although it would require the right plastic - one that melts (not burns), one that wont oxidize or degrade at those temps in an oxygen atmosphere. A plastics expert could be a real help here.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55544
03/31/08 11:42 PM 03/31/08 11:42 PM
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Big THANK YOU to Jules for taking the time to photograph the shafts!

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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: KillerBee] #55545
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Big THANK YOU to Jules for taking the time to photograph the shafts!



Yes Thank you so much.

I am definatly going to rethink my column repair now!!!

That is quite a difference.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: KillerBee] #55546
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Big THANK YOU to Jules for taking the time to photograph the shafts!



Yes, thanks a ton! When people ask about it I've always told people I didn't think it was a good idea so it's nice to see the proof.
Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: Canucklehead] #55547
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You're welcome guys.
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Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55548
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Yes, Thanks Jules! Those pics will help a lot when I'm sorting through my pile of E body steering shafts trying to figure out which ones are power, and which ones are manual.

I've heard of people drilling the shafts where the plastic pin is, Tapping threads in it, and installing a plastic bolt the same diameter as the original shear pin. Then grinding the plastic head off the plastic bolt so it doesn't stick out. This would create a pin similar to original size etc., and should shear with a similar amount of force correct?

Tav
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