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FYI Steering shaft dissection101 #55509 03/30/08 06:11 PM 03/30/08 06:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	Not sure if this topic was ever put to rest about the so called "pins" in a collapsible steering shaft but thought it would be good to see some pictures of one I had to repair today. The first picture shows bent shafts I received that could not be saved from 2 different columns. Luckily the bottom of one and the top of the other were okay so I could make a good one from 2. Jules 4316117-x001.jpg (334 downloads)

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55510 03/30/08 06:14 PM 03/30/08 06:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	Second picture shows the 2 good halves that will be mated to make a good one. You can see where the so called "pins" come from. The 2 holes on either side of the flat tube shaft is where plastic is injected to fill the cavity that is on the solid shaft. Jules 4316124-x002.jpg (289 downloads)

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55511 03/30/08 06:15 PM 03/30/08 06:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	Another 4316125-x003.jpg (242 downloads)

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55512 03/30/08 06:17 PM 03/30/08 06:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	This last picture shows the plastic removed from the cavity. In order to replace the broken pins, you would have to separate both halves , remove the excess plastic and inject new plastic. Make it ooze out of both sides and voila the shaft is intact again. Jules 4316134-x004.jpg (243 downloads)

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55513 03/30/08 06:19 PM 03/30/08 06:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	Just as a side bar. Separating the two halves required a sledge hammer. If you were ever worried about the 2 halves coming apart on their own, forget it! Even though they may slide in and out they will not come out easily passed the plastic injected area. Jules

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55514 03/30/08 06:42 PM 03/30/08 06:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	We used to fix them when they were collapsed. Mopar used to have a kit. Do to liability the kit was cancelled. Do you inject plastic back in when you reassemble?

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: NITROUSN] #55515 03/30/08 07:53 PM 03/30/08 07:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	I will. It will not be plastic though. Epoxy with a syringe. Jules

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55516 03/30/08 08:50 PM 03/30/08 08:50 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: I will. It will not be plastic though. Epoxy with a syringe. Jules What do you prefer for an epoxy? It would have to be very liquid to flow.

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: NITROUSN] #55517 03/30/08 09:41 PM 03/30/08 09:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,053 Ont, Canada gygeneral super stock
gygeneral super stock Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,053 Ont, Canada	This is great Jules, I've never taken one apart. But I'm wondering is there a coresponding recessed cavity in the female shaft? Norm

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: gygeneral] #55518 03/30/08 09:46 PM 03/30/08 09:46 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: This is great Jules, I've never taken one apart. But I'm wondering is there a coresponding recessed cavity in the female shaft? Norm Not as I recall. The excess that flows out the holes acts as a shear point. If there was to much teflon in a larger cavity it would not shear as designed. Even using epoxy or ant repair for that matter is a gray area libility wise. But what is one to do when parts are so hard to find.

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: NITROUSN] #55519 03/30/08 09:50 PM 03/30/08 09:50 PM
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gygeneral super stock Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,053 Ont, Canada	So all there is , is two of those small plastic pins holding the two sections? Wow!

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: gygeneral] #55520 03/30/08 10:11 PM 03/30/08 10:11 PM
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NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: So all there is , is two of those small plastic pins holding the two sections? Wow! Why would you need any more? Its designed to collapse on impact.

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: NITROUSN] #55521 03/31/08 07:06 AM 03/31/08 07:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	Actually it's more than just pins. The plastic fills whatever gap there may be between the tube and the solid shaft. This adds friction. Trust me I needed to hammer away at it to separate them. In an accident the forces are great and the shaft would collapse. NITROUSN, what would you suggest other than epoxy? Jules

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55522 03/31/08 09:31 AM 03/31/08 09:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio K KillerBee master
KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	Thanks for the info. I'm currently going from manual steering to power in my 1971 Challenger. From what you see will it be possible to collapse my longer manual steering shaft by hammering the shaft in and make it work on a power steering box?

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55523 03/31/08 09:54 AM 03/31/08 09:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY RoadRunner master
RoadRunner master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY	I am not sure I would use epoxy either. I think it would bond the two halves together. What about the cast resin stuff that is liquid until hardens? 68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project 69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed. 70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project 2023 Ford Mach 1

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: RoadRunner] #55524 03/31/08 10:52 AM 03/31/08 10:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	KillerBee -- no problem, however you won't be able to line up the pin holes with the cavities on the solid shaft . Cast resin sounds good also.

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: RoadRunner] #55525 03/31/08 11:23 AM 03/31/08 11:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A.	cast resin ????

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55526 03/31/08 11:26 AM 03/31/08 11:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN... N NITROUSN I Live Here
NITROUSN I Live Here N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,407 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...	Quote: Actually it's more than just pins. The plastic fills whatever gap there may be between the tube and the solid shaft. This adds friction. Trust me I needed to hammer away at it to separate them. In an accident the forces are great and the shaft would collapse. NITROUSN, what would you suggest other than epoxy? Jules Jules I really dont know. For the most part what you are doing will be fine. Your work always looks excellent by the way. If one was to know exactly what the factory used you might be able to find it and use it. Most likely it was a procedure that pulled the liquid into the void. Some sort of vacuum to pull it through to eliminate voids. The repair kits were like a loctite product. You left the teflon on the shaft. Marked the shafts for assembley. Used a primer or promoter on the two areas and put a liquid around the teflon and quickly slid the shafts togeather to the correct length. Then There was a cure time which was like 24 hours. Like I said they quit marketing the kit for liability. For now I would keep doing what you are. I hear of others bolting, riviting, and even welding the shafts togeather. Last edited by NITROUSN; 03/31/08 01:44 PM.

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: NITROUSN] #55527 03/31/08 01:19 PM 03/31/08 01:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada J JulesdaWiperman OP super gas
JulesdaWiperman OP super gas J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,984 Montreal,Quebec,Canada	" I hear of others bolting, riviting, and even welding the shafts togeather." Thanks for the input guys. I'll stick to my method for now. Jules

Re: FYI Steering shaft dissection101 [Re: JulesdaWiperman] #55528 03/31/08 01:35 PM 03/31/08 01:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A.	Quote: " I hear of others bolting, riviting, and even welding the shafts togeather." Thanks for the input guys. I'll stick to my method for now. Jules my father had to be cut out of a 65 mustang that he was pinned in when he tangled with a 54 olds , it wasn't pretty .

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