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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: vynn3] #54915
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Good luck getting 200 hp out of a slant six!

Yeah, you can do it but the mileage will probably go out the window at that point. Then you'll have bad mileage and only 200 hp!

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: vynn3] #54916
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Slant sixes don't get good enough mileage to justify their existence. I did a five tank log on my Dart and the best was 21.29 while the worst was 17.40. The average was 19.13. In my opinion, that isn't good enough to live with the total lack of power.

I had an '84 Celica GT-S that got about 29 on a cross country trip at about 75 mph with the AC on full blast and it was faster than my Dart, too. I've gotta have either better mileage or more power than the Toyota with my Mopar. That's why I'm putting a 318 in it. With a small cam and an A-500, I'm betting it will do better than the /6.




And what condition is your slant in? How many miles? Sure, a new or freshened 318 can get better mileage than a tired old slant, but the same overdrive and a rebuilt slant with a few cheap, basic mods like a Super Six 2bbl and good exhaust will get mileage in the 20-25 mpg range.

If the car is a weekend toy, then sure, why not drop in a V-8. Heck, why stop there? Go big block.

But if you're using a car for a daily driver, with gas prices rising AGAIN, then 2-4 mpg makes a big difference to MY wallet.

I realize this is a hot rodder forum, but I don't like my job well enough to need more than 200hp to get there. I drive my toys on the weekend.




I don't mind only haveing 200 hp to get to work, gettin off work is a different story though


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: FarDarter] #54917
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Geez...early 70's 225 single barrels were 145bhp. Headers and some creative cam and headwork, and 200 really isn't out of line. Let alone looking at a fairly easy turbo swap which should offer considerably more. Let's not even mention that Hyper-pak engines were already pretty much there, at 195.

I don't know why everyone's always dumping on the slant. It's a decent (or should be) economy engine with a LONGSTANDING history for longevity that is hard pressed to be matched by ANY production passenger vehicle engine.


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: 4speeds4me] #54918
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It's not a bad engine. It is quiet and very smooth and it does get the car from place to place just fine. It's just not fun. Not at all.

I think most of us here are the kind of guys who can enjoy just standing behind our cars and listening to the rumble of the dual exhaust. To watch the car sink a little bit on the right when we stab the gas in neutral. To feel the vibrations of the engine through the whole car. It's more than the numbers that we get out of a nice V-8. Old American cars are just meant to have them!

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: FarDarter] #54919
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Now THAT I agree with, but after making the ugly payments on a new car, and dealing with dealerships and shops for everything because the things are too freaking cramped (or under warranty) to work on, I gotta say...a late 60's-mid 70's A-body with a slant (or 318, as hotroddave40 has proven) that'll knock down better mileage than my current daily drivers, (or past, considering the last 5 years) gets awfully appealing when there's not a thing that requires me to seek outside service, and NO PAYMENT!


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: 4speeds4me] #54920
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I had one in a 79 dipomat supersix 2barr. that got 26 on the highway,And i don't know what they get m.p.g. But i've seen the slant six class raceing twice and some of those cars are running over 120mph in the 1/4,Thats faster than a toyota and more fun, but then i don't know cause i'd never drive one

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: FarDarter] #54921
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Good luck getting 200 hp out of a slant six!

Yeah, you can do it but the mileage will probably go out the window at that point. Then you'll have bad mileage and only 200 hp!




Mine is around 240 on motor and 375 on the hose. It still got almost 20 on the highway with 3.91 gears and a 3500 stall converter.


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: mr.318] #54922
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some one mentioned a turbo. i used to run a shelby Z daytona with turbo it got 31 MPG on the interstate and was fun to drive....until i wraped it around a tree when i was 19. but i still have the car and thought it would be cool to put the turbo or another turbo on my slant 6 dart.
I know the /6 is strong and at least when its stock its indestructible! how complicated would it be to put a turbo on one? i know how it works and i know i could fabricate everything to hook it up but what about over boosting or selecting the right turbo? I would like to keep it cheap , like junk yard stuff. would you just plumb in the turbo from a daytona and see what happens? would the compression in a /6 be low enough to work? how many punnds boost would be safe with a stocker?

i am just thinking out loud here, thanks for any advice, the blue one
is my $400 beater /6 the other one is my 70 340 that i restored 15 years ago.

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: FarDarter] #54923
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I think most of us here are the kind of guys who can enjoy just standing behind our cars and listening to the rumble of the dual exhaust. To watch the car sink a little bit on the right when we stab the gas in neutral. To feel the vibrations of the engine through the whole car.




My mildly-modified slant has true duals (and a nice rumble), the torque rotates the engine nicely in neutral, and makes plenty of nice vibrations through the car. On top of that, it makes a roar on the highway akin to a WWII fighter plane, rather than the V-8 noises that come from every Tom, Dick and Harry's Camaro, Mustang, or pick-up.

Sure, apples to apples, with the same mods a V-8 will always make more power. But my slant responds well to modifications (sometimes better than a V-8 — the 2bbl and Dutra Dual exhaust made a night and day difference in power, and got BETTER mileage!), it's easy to work on, and gets a different kind of interest when I pop the hood. Finding slant parts is more challenging than finding V-8 parts, but the same applies to finding Mopar small block parts compared to Chebbie parts. For example, my "long rod" slant has longer 198 rods and 2.2 4-banger pistons, giving it the same displacement but a better rod ratio and lighter pistons. Slanters like Doug Dutra have to get "creative" to make up for the lack of hot parts. I LIKE that challenge. But, to each his own.

I'm not knocking V-8's, I've owned plenty over the years, and I have a wonderful little V-8 Dart GT now. I love 'em for what they are and what they can do. But my slant is UNIQUE, and uniqueness is what lured me to Mopars and away from Fords and Chebbies in the first place.

I happen to think there's room enough for hot slants, small blocks, AND big blocks in the Mopar world (not to mention V-6's and inline 4's) without knocking the other engines. They can ALL be fun and cool in their own way.

(But yes, Dave, there's not an engine out there that will get me HOME from work fast enough. )

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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: vynn3] #54924
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Up until a few months ago felt that a /6 was only good as a boat anchor. Once gas hit $3 a gallon I started to research the slanty six a bit and elected to go with an 80 Volare /6 over a 318 Duster for my Son's first car. Sure a 318 can get good milage with careful driving but the /6 has does respond well to traditional hot rod upgrades and is as reliable an ax. Checl our slantsix.org for all you will ever need to know.
The "Super Six" 2 barrels get better milage than the one barrel. My car is not on the road yet so I cant speak to gas milage but I have had many 318's and never saw more than 12 mpg with any of them, not that it cant be done but I live in the north east and there is just a lot of stop and go, even on the highways.
the car we found was an automatic but with a stick even a 90hp 1bbl would be fun to drive.


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: dirt] #54925
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some one mentioned a turbo. i used to run a shelby Z daytona with turbo it got 31 MPG on the interstate and was fun to drive....until i wraped it around a tree when i was 19. but i still have the car and thought it would be cool to put the turbo or another turbo on my slant 6 dart.
I know the /6 is strong and at least when its stock its indestructible! how complicated would it be to put a turbo on one? i know how it works and i know i could fabricate everything to hook it up but what about over boosting or selecting the right turbo? I would like to keep it cheap , like junk yard stuff. would you just plumb in the turbo from a daytona and see what happens? would the compression in a /6 be low enough to work? how many punnds boost would be safe with a stocker?

i am just thinking out loud here, thanks for any advice, the blue one
is my $400 beater /6 the other one is my 70 340 that i restored 15 years ago.





Turbo from a 3.8L GM is perfect for this, as displacement is almost identical... Turbo Regal, etc...and I happen to have one...


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: 4speeds4me] #54926
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Back in the early 1990s I knew a soldier on Fort Sill who had a 225 slant six in a two door post seafoam green 1964 Dart.

He had tricked the thing out with a custom built header, a magneto, an Offy four barrel intake and a bumpy cam with a stock push button tranny behind it all.

I swear that thing would only lope about once every ten seconds at an idle but that thing would freakin' scream when he shot the coals to it.

I've often wondered if it's still alive somewhere....?

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: fluegelmeister] #54927
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I own a 72 dart swinger with a 225 slant 6 in it. and my fuel mileage is anywhere from 7 yes 7 to 13 mpg. The thing is driving me a little nuts since it is my daily driver. I bought and installed new spark plugs, spark plug wires, it has the stock electrical ignition, an accel coil. the gears are 2.79 if I remember right and is an 3 speed automatic. the car only has about 160,000 miles on it too and from what I hear and read that is about the half way point on these cars. I also had the timing redo by a mechanic and he set it to 5 twice the amount of what the stock is of 2.5 so I am not too sure if that helps any. I am still new to the car world and am learning a lot on the way to fixing my dart up.

When I bought it the previous owner already installed a two barrel carburetor, I am not too sure of which it is I will have to check and post later.

But I am seriously hoping I can do much better than 13 mpg so if you guys can give me any further detail it would be much appreciated.

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: dirt] #54928
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My 68 Barracuda with an A833OD tranny and 3.55 gears with this engine would get 19-20 mpg around town and 22-23 mpg on the hiway. I figured this engine was making around 180-190 HP



Now with this 360 ,which makes ~370HP, in the same car with same tranny and gears will get 17-18 mpg around town and 21-22 mpg on the hiway.



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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: dgc333] #54929
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my 323" (.430/.444" cam) 4 spd, and 3.23 gears < It gets 14-15mpg. Well tuned.

my 4der, will accelerate fast, like a 90's 5.0L mustang 5 speed. At least the first 4 gears, with no OD833. No 13 seconds. No 20+ MPG.

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: mark7171] #54930
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my bone stock '76 with a 225 1bbl, A833OD, 3.21 gears and 25" tall tires knocks down 19-22mpg city, 25-28mpg highway with a best of 32. a lot of people actually report marginally BETTER mileage after retrofitting the super 6 2bbl setup...

your combo I'd expect about 18-20 city and 22-24 highway.

I'd look at maybe a carb rebuild.


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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: patrick] #54931
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There is a local guy that runs a 225 in 65 Valiant wagon. He's running with the big blocks at the local strip. Knocks down mid to low 12's consistently. They will run hard with some TLC!

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: patrick] #54932
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my bone stock '76 with a 225 1bbl, A833OD, 3.21 gears and 25" tall tires knocks down 19-22mpg city, 25-28mpg highway with a best of 32. a lot of people actually report marginally BETTER mileage after retrofitting the super 6 2bbl setup...

your combo I'd expect about 18-20 city and 22-24 highway.

I'd look at maybe a carb rebuild.






So I found out what my fuel problem was as I went to go look at what type of carburetor I have. And the verdict was having a huge wad of a paper towel shoved in my air blower.... my carburetor was sucking for air and couldn't get any... I can already tell the difference of how much less I have to push the pedal to go at freeway speeds.

And answering someone who asked about how much boost a slant 6 can take. from all the research I have done, since it has an 8:4:1 compression ratio it has been able to take 24-26 pounds of boost max which is a hell of a lot. I don't know if some one's engine survived after that but that is what I read if you are planning on turboing your slant 6.

Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? #54933
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I have a 225 in a 74 Duster automatic with 2.7 gears and it gets 20-25 which is about the same as my 94 Chysler New Yorker with the 3.5.

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Re: slant 6, fuel mileage. what should i get? [Re: elmor] #54934
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Stock slant gets about 18 mpg average if everything is right. Very inefficient motor.
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