Removing undercoating?
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Whats the easiest way? I tried to steam pressure wash the undercarriage today but it did nothing. I've heard people using a torch and scraper, or paint remover. Is there any way to make the job simpler?
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Well .. I've done a couple cars and,, There is no easy method
I suppose the 64 took me 150 total hours to make perfectly clean.
Anything you use , be careful to not
1) start a fire !
2) don't get anything in your eyes
3) Use mechanics gloves
4) wear a mask .. I think that junk is haz mat ?
I used the propane torch and putty knife allot.
Wire wheel in drill in some areas (wear goggles)
Acetone and a rag to soften areas where you can't get at easy ..
I scraped over 100 lbs off my car ..It was really caked on in places
awful, awful job ..Plopped it on jackstands and worked an area till clean and then moved on if you jump around , you get bummed out
elbow grease ..I hope to never do it again if you were doing a complete put it on a rotessire and blast it but then you have the left over sand, media to deal with
My truck I cut the floors out and built new ones
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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i read on this site that engine degreaser will soften up rustproofing so you can pressure wash it off. spray it on and keep it wet with the degreaser for about 30 min then most of it will wash off. never tried it myself.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I saw a guy on Moparts had his car on a rotisserie and blasted it with steam and it came off. I tried this today with a forklift and power washer but it did nothing.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I guess i should have tried degreaser or something of the sort. I was trying to blast it off.
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The places where its off was already gone. I was blasting the other spots and it basically did nothing.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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Nice wheelie !
there is no easy way, its not going to "just wash off"
You would have to get it to melting point Not sure what that is but ..I KNOW with a propane torch , it takes a minute or so before it softens up , and it cools right back down
So, you can only do an area 6" x 6" maybe ? and often it leaves a residue that you have to clean off with a rag soaked in ..
Its a PITA .. how fancy is this beast going to be ?
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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how fancy is this beast going to be ?
Not fancy at all. Its a father son project with my dad and i and it's going to be a DRIVER! Definitely far from perfect. I just want to get all of it off so i can treat the floor pans with rust bullet or something. I'm not looking for a 100 point car by any means.
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Nice wheelie !
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I'd take a visual on the floors if they look soild , just use a can of new undercoating ..freshen it up a little Unless, you want to get real, real dirty Cause its a thankless job
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I scraped over 100 lbs off my car ..It was really caked on in places Quote:
omg!!! Did you weigh it? Or somehow try to accurately estimate? Thats amazing. I would think a 5 gallon bucket of undercoating would not even weigh 100 pounds.
And I've done some dirty jobs before but this is one I don't think I will ever do.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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The floors are real solid but have a lot of surface rust that i don't want to get any worse.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I'd take a visual on the floors if they look soild , just use a can of new undercoating ..freshen it up a little
Unless, you want to get real, real dirty Cause its a thankless job
Unless, you want to get real, real dirty Cause its a thankless job
I removed it on my 71 and will never do it again. If its that hard to get off, its protecting and will protect the metal better than anything you will replace it with. My next car has it really thick and I intend to leave it and just recoat the areas that were missed the first time. As Bigdad says.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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It is more important to remove the undercoating that is already lifting as moisture can creep under it.As I removed some of it there was surface rust underneath.The really hard to remove schtuff will have mint paint/metal underneath.As mentioned,leave the really good stuff on.I did. P.S. I wear a face shield and my worst clothes.I also lie down on a foam mat to be somewhat comfortable. Keep your beer away from the working area,too!! Nobody likes black chunks in their favorite brew!!
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I have to disagree. It ain't worth every minute of it. It was the most miserable automotive undertaking I've ever experienced. I would rather be dead than have a job doing that every day. That tar doesn't just soften..IT IGNITES and flys everywhere when you scrape it off. That hot tar continues to be on fire even when it's stuck to your skin. I for one would never do it again for any reason. It's an experience I'll never forget.
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JSsuperbee,I hated doing the work,but the end result was well worth it. I did leave what was still in good shape and freshened it up.The dry,chipped stuff I removed. My car will be a driver so not many will crawl up under to see how well I do in judged/points shows. At least I know in my mind there is no rot underneath.. Plus it's a C so I have more area to recover..LOL!
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IMO it sounds like you're better off just scraping off what's loose/flaking off, treating the rust with whatever rust product you were planning on doing, then re-doing the entire undercoating, applying fresh stuff over top of the original undercoating that was still in good shape.
I'm probably going to do this.
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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03/01/08 11:37 PM
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Well .. I've done a couple cars and,, There is no easy method
I suppose the 64 took me 150 total hours to make perfectly clean.
Anything you use , be careful to not[/quote
150 hrs?
There's a faster way, no fire, no burns and you don't breath any dust. A very hot steam cleaner... I can do the bottem in about 3 1/2 hours.No scrape marks or gouges anywhere. I used a steam pressure washer. I did it in one afternoon and was done with it.
It's still wet in these pictures, those are water droplets hanging off the car.
Big Mike, Here's a tip for ya. That aluminun tank in the picture below, has reg 87 oct gasoline in it. It's a pressurized tank with spray wand. (I used it for years at the track to clean parts) I spray the heavy off first with the presure washer and then spray it with gasoline. It softens the road tar and under coating and speeds things up. I'll spray it wait two minutes or so and then blast it off. I've been cleaning heavy duty trucks for years with these type of pressure washers. Go rent one from a pressure washer place or a tool rental. I used about two gallons of gas doing the job. You would think the run off would kill the grass but it does'nt. I think most of it evaporates before getting to the grass, it's very hot and steamy to the point where you can't really see to good, so most everything evaporates quickly. If diesel fuel or kerosene were used it would be a nasty oilly mess when done and would get to the grass. My
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I've been doing this for weekends now..man what a pain, only i didn't have factory undercoat, i had this thick, greasy, sticky tar like garbage someone sprayed in every seam ever made(74 Challenger) and i have wire wheels of different sorta, scrappers, flat head screwdrivers, wire brushes, What i did was take the parts-cleaner fluid that i was going to dispose, put it in a spray bottle, and sprayed it all over the underside of car on stands.. Most of it soaked in after a few days, got soft and scrapped off, some areas were still tight, theres where the tools come in, I have the leafs/axle out right now.. and doing all that, i swear those truck extentions are a nightmare, the body grooves and pinche welds and tight spaces...ugh..after big work, hit it with brake cleaner ( a few cans) then let it dry..then degreaser... then water..soak it..and wash it off. wipe what you can, dry it out and hit with whatever, por15, zero rust..etc
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Re: Removing undercoating?
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I used the torch and scraper method a few hours at a time for what seemed like months. Paint thinner does remove the residue.
I just saw a product in the Eastwood catalog that claims to be a spray on then scrap it off. I don't know if it works but may be worth a try.
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Paint stripper works good, and is a lot less work too. (Use it outside!) Hit it with an old wire brush as it is working, a few times. Then use a putty kife.
This is the way to do it then just wipe it down with laquer thinner....Removed quite a bit this way and it goes pretty quick...In your case make sure you wear protective clothing and eye wear cause that stuff does burn...
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before torch and putty knife,wire wheel,sandpaper, thinner, etc.
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The way to do this is to use Gunk Engine De-greaser. Spray it into a contrainer and use a brush to work it into the undercoating.
Keep the area wet and use a poly tarp under the car. The undercoating will practically scrape off like butter.
I did my '66 Dodge Monaco this way, and I had previously tried all of the above mentioned methods, but none worked as good as this.
Brad 1966 Dodge MOnaco (Canadian Built)
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Challenger1 , Is a hotsey the same thing as the steam pressure washer?
I beleive so... We used to have Hotsey hot box that we used for a few years.It was just a box that heated the water after the cold water pressure washer. But I think your talking the heated pressure washer with the vertical burner. Yes it should do the same thing. Please read these threads for a few tips.
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