Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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Jesel is about as good as it gets. They also allow for large diameter springs which the T&D in some cases do not. I would advise going with pushrod oiling also. I ran spray bar oiling on my engine, and had no trouble. I actually made my own spray bar/lines setup. If starting from scratch I would have had the Indy Maxx block drilled to allow pushrod oiling. But my machine shop couldnt do it. The spray bar covers and setup isnt real cheap $400+ so the costs of having the lifter bores drilled should actually save some money. The push rods are Not any more money with the oil holes. If you are interested in making your own spray bar lines..I wouldnt care to share how I did them
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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T&D individual shaft is the best option IMO. Been working for me with zero issues. BTW fwiw my springs are 1.677 diameter and the rockers clear with NO issues or clearancing and i pushrod oil as well.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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My new B1 heads should be ready for Koffel's to set up with rocker gear pretty soon and I need to decide between Jesel or T&D rockers. Has anybody here used or at least had some experience with both?
You have a good product. And I think your willing to do what it takes ($) to build a smart powerful package. My concern is your last post. Most here lead you down the path of better rockers ($). But contradictory to us 'experts' B1Headman posts this in the Greg'sDart valvetrain post. "Two set ups 1st is our std. N/A set up 250-260 seat load 760-800 open load 1.7 std. B1 rockers .780-.800 lift comp 829-16 lifters. 3/8 int pushrods & 7/16 ex pushrods. 2nd set up is for blown applications. >>>(350-370 seat load and 1050-1100 open load. 1.7 std. B1 rockers)<<<!!! .850 lift. 1/2 int and ex pushrods. Crane pro series lifters.We run this combo 8800-9000 rpm."
This would lead me to believe the 'kit' rockers you already purchased where more than adequate. Why are you changing rockers? Just didn't want you to spend $ unnecessarily, also would like to better understand your decision snce you've already involved us. And better educate us 'experts'.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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I use Jessel individual shaft and have single shaft T&D's on my other motor. The Jessel's are really nice, and so are the T&D's, but the individual system is by far the best. The Jessels require alot of machine work, and the T&D's don't. That would make my mind up.
The way I understand this is that you can purchase either the individual 'paired' shaft rockers which require machining or buy a bolt-on kit. I believe T&D make individual 'paired' rockers which also require machining.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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What I meant to say is, I run the Jessels and they are pushrod fed oiling individual shaft rockers. They work great, but required alot of machine work to fit. I also run the single shaft T&D's and they worked fine, once the pushrod length was perfect, and I mean it needs to be perfect. But when I build my next rocker system, it will be with T&D individual shaft system, because they don't require the extra machine work that the Jessel's do. I have also used the Koffel black rockers, and they worked fine for me. I did order the torington bearing kit from Tom Hemphil for the rocker shafts. He is in PA and can help with that. But if you are set on individual shaft system, pushrod oiling is the only way to go IMO.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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Do the T&D rockers that require no machining need to oil through the push rod?
The individual shaft Jessel or T&D require either spray bar, or pushrod oiling.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THE T/D AND JESSEL SETUP
1.39 9.85 - 137 mph
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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T&D paired 5/8" shaft rocker system and don't look back. Money well spent! Call T&D and ask for Sheldon, tell him Bob from Carson City told you to call. T&D 1(775)884-2292
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THE T/D AND JESSEL SETUP
Jersel 1685 T&D single shaft 1350 T&D paired shaft 1450
i ordered T&D single shaft 2 weeks ago from Koffels Place
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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Seriously, you could flip a coin on the rockers. Since you're in Oregon I'd consider T&D's just because if you do need parts, they're only a state and a half away from you.
Jason Nevada borders Oregon so we are only a state away. What is wrong with you? Did you go to school in Lund Nevada or something? JEEZZZ!
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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I think the black standard rockers fatigue after a couple hundred runs
mine lasted about 12 runs on strip and 400 miles street
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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I'd like to see a pic of the T&D individual shaft set up installed. I've decided to sell my Jesel for my 440-1's stuff and look into possibly the T&D single shaft or the individual. Do the individual shaft rockers from T&D require milling off the rocker stands?
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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They do require machining. I have used both style T&D's, and both have worked well. Not so with the black Koffel's, not even after consulting with Koffel's and doing things according to their instructions. No need to get yourself aggravated, when it can be easilly avoided.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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I'd like to see a pic of the T&D individual shaft set up installed. I've decided to sell my Jesel for my 440-1's stuff and look into possibly the T&D single shaft or the individual. Do the individual shaft rockers from T&D require milling off the rocker stands?
Steve
Attached is a picture of the T&D rockers that have the paired shaft system (a short shaft for each cylinder). The rocker stands had to be milled off and the holes to bolt down the adapter added. Indy 440-1 CNC heads, setup by BEST Machine.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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Thanks for the pics. It looks like the paired T&D's use the same mounting idea as the Jesel's that I already have. I'd really like to avoid machining off the rocker stands, I think if I was buying new I would have them machined off by Indy and ready to go but at this point I think I'll go with the single shaft deal from T&D. Part of the problem is finding someone up here that knows what is involved with doing the job, I don't want my heads being a guini pig for someone to learn on.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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And this is a picture of the adapter that bolts to the head after milling off the cast rocker stands.
And that's how it's supposed to be done!
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THE T/D AND JESSEL SETUP
Jersel 1685 T&D single shaft 1350 T&D paired shaft 1450
i ordered T&D single shaft 2 weeks ago from Koffels Place
Do you guys know how much hemi rockers cost? My wife didn't either until recently.
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Re: Jesel or T&D Individual Shaft Rockers
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You could take your heads up the 401 to Bewdley and have Tim at FHO do the machine work. I'm sure he can handle a Jesel conversion and you won't have to cross the border.
That would only be 1 1/2 hours drive for you Steve.
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