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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: jrwoodjoe] #539527
12/09/09 03:19 PM
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I might try it out myself.

Is a good wash in clean running water enough to neutralize the acids?

Tav

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: cataclysm80] #539528
12/09/09 03:59 PM
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Here we are after a few days of soak off and on. Seems to work better in a warm environment.

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It's a lot better than it looks. The flash makes what little corrosion that is still there overemphasized.

Keep in mind I picked out the rustiest, nastiest thing I had in the garage to test it out!

I've also done a u-bolt and a splash shield (goes right in front of where the K-from bolts on the framerail) and it was amazing how clean both came out!

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Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! #539530
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good point on the warm enviroment!

yeah the colder the temp your trying to use this solution in the slower it reacts.. anything above 70 deg "typical weather where I am at during the spring and fall" works greats . I grew-up in Chicago and I know how cold the winters "fall through spring" get there and how bad the rust can be on parts.. If you have something really pitted up soaking it for 3 days in normal temperatures would really make a dent in the rust you remove.. it eventually will take it all off just depends on how deep it is. If after 24 hours if you still have alot of rust take a scotch brite pad to it so the solution can get at the rust it has been exposed to yet!!. lol I should of waited to post this until march! Its even freezing here now! as i see it it works as good or better than the stuff you can buy at these trade shows or auto parts stores and you can make it for pretty cheap. plus if you sand or soda blast you can really keep from getting alot of excess rust in the media your using and keep the media longer!

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: matthewnokc] #539531
12/10/09 11:19 PM
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I've been giving it a go on an ashtray for my '68 Dodge Sweptline. So far so good. It has a loooong way to go.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: Chilort] #539532
12/10/09 11:27 PM
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Another thing to consider is that ANY acid based rust remover ALSO removes the metal itself, at the very least you'll end up with an acid etched surface. Consider this if you are trying to preserve any of the original part surface appaearance. If the surface is a concern stick with a product like Evap-O-Rust that destroys rust and leaves all other materials (metal, paint, etc, metal finishes, etc.) 100% intact.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539533
12/10/09 11:49 PM
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Another thing to consider is that ANY acid based rust remover ALSO removes the metal itself, at the very least you'll end up with an acid etched surface. Consider this if you are trying to preserve any of the original part surface appaearance. If the surface is a concern stick with a product like Evap-O-Rust that destroys rust and leaves all other materials (metal, paint, etc, metal finishes, etc.) 100% intact.




Yet another opinion! I suppose you could look at it from the aspect of most likely if the item is rusted up the finish is going to have to be redone anyways! I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: matthewnokc] #539534
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I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!





Obviously for some heavily corroded or rust covered parts the surface won't matter and the acid approach is a valid choice, but my comments on more delicate surfaces are not simply "Another Opinion" it's verifiable fact.

Acids are corrosive to most metals and many other materials, not just rust. You may have had an example of one paint that was not affected, but you can't say that accross the board it won't harm paint.

Products like Evap-O-Rust do not harm ANYTHING but the rust itself.

.....And no, I don't work for Evap-O-Rust

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539535
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I have actually have tried the solution on painted items and it did leave the paint intact and glossy!





Obviously for some heavily corroded or rust covered parts the surface won't matter and the acid approach is a valid choice, but my comments on more delicate surfaces are not simply "Another Opinion" it's verifiable fact.


Acids are corrosive to most metals and many other materials, not just rust. You may have had an example of one paint that was not affected, but you can't say that accross the board it won't harm paint.

Products like Evap-O-Rust do not harm ANYTHING but the rust itself.

.....And no, I don't work for Evap-O-Rust




Actually your mistaking on this! the ph value of evaporust is 6 they claim 6-7.1 @ 1%
anything below a 7 is infact a acid
I am sure if we measure vinegar @ 1% it will be alot higher than a 3-4 on the ph scale!

It is infact a weaker acid "maybe" but still an acid!! Some examples of weak acids are acetic acid (found in vinegar), carbonic acid, hydrofluoric acid, and formic acid. evapo-rust although they claim they are not a acid my guess is if you take their straight solution and measured the it would be infact a acid! and not a base! I like how they measure it at 1%
http://www.evapo-rust.com/technical/EvapoRustTDS.doc

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: matthewnokc] #539536
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evapo-rust although they claim they are not a acid




Well based on thier claim, yes I am right. But who cares anyway, acid/base, whatever. Right, Wrong, etc. What matters is that it works and doesn't harm delicate surfaces or finishes like the vinigar/citrus/salt blend can. I've tried Evap-O-Rust on a TON of small delicate items, I have never had an issue on any of them, not something I can say about the V/C/S mix, it's FAR more aggressive.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: matthewnokc] #539537
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Nothing to do with my Mopar, but has anyone tried this in a rusted motorcycle fuel tank?

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: 340ShakerR/T] #539538
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I've tried it with Evap-O-Rust on my Honda 90, worked fantastic! Simply add the empty tank, leave it overnight with the cap on, pour it out the next day (it's re-usable, save it). After it's drained you can rinse it out with solvent and seal it with gas tank sealer, or if it's solid with no leaks just add gas and go.

By the way, from thier website:

Why Use Evapo-Rust ™� Removes rust quickly without scrubbing.
� One gallon de-rusts up to 300 lbs of heavily rusted steel.
� Removes even heavy rust .. COMPLETELY.
� No fumes or bad odors.
� Non-toxic. Safe on skin. Non-corrosive.
� Non-flammable. No VOC's.
� Easy to use, immerse part in solution. Water soluable.
� Requires No Special Equipment.
� Contains no acids, bases, solvents or other toxic ingredients.
� Can be disposed of safely into sewer.
� Will not attack un-rusted steel.
� Safe on other metals.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539539
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Thanks for the advise, now I have a weekend project.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: 340ShakerR/T] #539540
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I've used Evaporust with great success. I believe a product called CLR, which can be bought at any hardware store, will do the same thing. Of course, it is more expensive than vinegar solution.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539541
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If I remember right,...

evaporust works with enzymes that eat the rust, which is a different process from acids.

Acids eat at the entire surface of the part, dissolving the softer porous rust faster than it dissolves the good hard metal, but still affecting the entire surface.

Rust converters usually change iron oxide (rust) to iron phosphate.

Rust encapsulators only cover up the rust. The idea is to prevent things from contacting the metal so that the rust doesn't get worse.

Each works in it's own way and his advantages/disadvantages. If I had to pick a favorite, I think it would be evaporust, but there are also a lot of parts where the cheap easy acid solution would be a viable alternative.

Tav

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: cataclysm80] #539542
12/12/09 12:43 PM
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Each works in it's own way and his advantages/disadvantages. If I had to pick a favorite, I think it would be evaporust, but there are also a lot of parts where the cheap easy acid solution would be a viable alternative.

Tav






BTW, for those who want to see just what the difference is between Evap-O-Rust and the Home brewed V/C/S mix concerning the acids effect on good metal (and not just the rust), put a small sample of each fluid in a jar. Add a few pennies to each, and toss in another item made of clean raw steel, results will vary with the proximity of the steel parts & the pennies, the effect will be more dramtic if they are touching. Let it sit overnight and have a close look at the pennies and steel parts, post your results here.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #539543
12/12/09 02:52 PM
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I think it is working great.

This isn't a direct back to back but the part on top was in nearly the same condition as the part on the bottom. These are parts of an ashtray out of a '68 Dodge Sweptline pickup. I've got the rest of the ashtray in the solution now and it is working great. It is removing the paint from the ashtray and that is perfectly fine with me because I was planning on doing that anyway.




Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: matthewnokc] #539544
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Hi, Iam trying your "Recipe" on a set of Rallye Wheels... Is there any type of "Rinse" to be done-after the soak/before paint??? Thanks Bill

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: bbodybill] #539545
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I seen where they put 2 copper rods into a solution and conneted the rods to a 12v battery chargers pos. neg. leads. Then added the parts, but im not sure what the solution was.

Re: Rust removal recipe ! works great! cheap to make!! [Re: jrwoodjoe] #539546
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