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is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? #537405
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has anyone ran a set on the street? i wondering about how they hold up,and what it takes to get them right. any porting done? any problems? i realize we might have to have them done over by my head guy,but just wondering what they really need to be dependable. what kind of real world flow numbers are you getting??? i really like the castings to look like 906's..like to do a stroker to appear like original,thanks,mike

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537406
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I run them on my car and I use it as my daily driver spring-fall. No problems so far. Did nothing with mine, bolted them on and went. Drove them to work every day for the past few months until I put the car away for the winter. As for flow, stock they flow about the same as edelbrock rpm heads, +/- a few cfm throughout the lift range with the eddy's having a slight edge in the .5" and above valve lift. When CNC ported they flow on par with the CNC ported eddy's.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537407
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I have a set on my convert and drive have driven it about 5000 miles so far ... no problems what so ever , i did disassemble them and checked the valves and guides , but didn't have to do anything but reassemble em and bolt em on ... i cannot say the same thing about the last set of Indy SR heads I got

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537408
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I have them on my 12.5 440.Been on over 2 years street driving and some racing.I had new springs retainers and keepers on mine as I run a .588 solid cam with 4 speed.My machinist back cut the valves and cleaned them up some.He is a stickler for perfection and he was impressed with them for under a grand.Rocky


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: therocks] #537409
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Unfortunately, 440-source is currently backordered on stealth heads. Ive had an order in with them for a couple of months now. They originally told me 4-6 weeks, but now They're saying mid December. I notice now that their website link to the heads page doesn't show the heads, just the accessories, and they are also selling Eddy heads now. Hopefully they come in soon


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: StealthWedge67] #537410
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Unfortunately, 440-source is currently backordered on stealth heads. Ive had an order in with them for a couple of months now. They originally told me 4-6 weeks, but now They're saying mid December.




The container from China had a slight delay...




Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: Commando1] #537411
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537412
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my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.




Oh so that's why eddys have a rep for taking them out of the box and straight to the machine shop for a couple hundred bucks worth of repair?

I don't know what problems you had with yours, however when I called about having bought a first production set which were said to have defective valve locks/retainers they gave me a new set without issue.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537413
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.





so what was the issue ?

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537414
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I'm just finishing up a set for a friend of mine and I was really surprised at how good the finished machine work was on these heads. I had to do very little to straighten them out. Much less than I had to do to the Indy heads on my car.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537415
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.





so what was the issue ?




I think he had this problem.


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And this.


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But not this, this was someone else!

This guy was making 1001 HP.

He should of stayed under 1000!!!

I don't know, just thinking what if
I would of just took the other route.

Anything can happen with any of this
so called garbage. It works fine for one guy,
and falls apart for the next guy.

Example= Holley Blue fuel pump. some guys love
em, others hate em.


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: BDS871Cuda] #537418
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon

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those are my heads. they have 5000 miles on them using prestone antifreeze that is rated for aluminum. this is not 100% 440sources fault. its mine for running both grounds on the heads and not the block BUT when i emailed brandon he ignored me, i emailed again telling him i had sorted out the problem without his help and he ignored me again. the third time was to tell him he was a dick and thanks for blowing me off, his reply was if it was a problem i should have phoned and since i sorted out the issue he didnt care what the outcome was. if you follow the source threads you will find this is common with brandon

i was like you guys defending 440source in every fight (just ask JohnRR) but the way i was treated i will never spend another cent with them.
so so far i have had to put locks and retainers and repair and surface both heads. so the initial outlay of cash was ok but with repairs and replacing junk parts i am over the price of a eddy head

you guys that are running these heads, have you had them off since you put them on? you may be in for a surprise!!

bottom line is its your money buy whatever you like. just telling my experience with the quality and company.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537420
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I have noticed that, when he first started brandon seemed patient and willing to back up his product.

Now he won't even exchange one of his brand new starters cuz the guy let it sit on the shelf too long?

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537421
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.

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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.




http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips10.htm

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537423
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.




http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips10.htm





Interesting, but I never heard of someone checking ph before. Regardless, fresh coolant shouldn't go bad in 5000 miles.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #537424
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The coolant wasn't the problem. It's the water that was used for dilution. I have seen perforated cylinder liners on a new 3406 Cat that had a hose blow off. The driver filled the rad back up with ditch water and because it was summer didn't worry about it. It didn't make it to cold weather time before it perforated most of the liners. No warranty either because of obvious lack of cooling system maintenance. That DCA level (don't ask me what it stands for)is critical.

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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: Twostick] #537425
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i have been worried about hard water in rads for a long time so this was the pre mixed stuff. so if that was the problem it was from the prestone factory.

when we found the problem dodgefarmer here repaired and surfaced them, they went on a new 383 and this time i bought distilled water and non mixed antifreeze and went 50/50 mix. no tap water anywhere.

hopefully problem is solved? i ran straight tap water in my blower motor with eddies and never had this issue.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537426
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Above, you said "this is not 100% 440sources fault. its mine for running both grounds on the heads and not the block" So, is it the Anti Freeze mix or ground placement? Or both?
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i have been worried about hard water in rads for a long time so this was the pre mixed stuff. so if that was the problem it was from the prestone factory.

when we found the problem dodgefarmer here repaired and surfaced them, they went on a new 383 and this time i bought distilled water and non mixed antifreeze and went 50/50 mix. no tap water anywhere.

hopefully problem is solved? i ran straight tap water in my blower motor with eddies and never had this issue.



Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: Jwilli500] #537427
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You have aluminum heads on a iron block, flowing liquid through a copper/brass radiator with a cooling system with metal parts is gonna need special attention to prevent damage. Fully flushed block, clean out radiator, ionized and mineral free water, correct anti freeze mixture and proper grounds will go a long way to keeping your engine running good and problems down.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537428
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Chrisf, What made you pull the heads to find that damage? Any symptoms?

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537429
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I have had the stealth heads on my car for two years now. The valves were poorly cut, stem heights were off as well as the spring installed heights. After a year I had the valve guides replaced as well. When I replaced the cam I also replaced the cheap springs, locks and retainers. Now I have about 2K in the heads including porting.

Mine are painted which makes my stroker look somewhat stock. Would I buy them again, maybe.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: migsBIG] #537430
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You have aluminum heads on a iron block, flowing liquid through a copper/brass radiator with a cooling system with metal parts is gonna need special attention to prevent damage. Fully flushed block, clean out radiator, ionized and mineral free water, correct anti freeze mixture and proper grounds will go a long way to keeping your engine running good and problems down.




As I am about to run Eddy's....on an Iron block...I was told to run a Zinc Anode on my cooling system as to have the dielectrolysis attack the zinc and not the block......Now the question remains....where do I put this anode? In a water jacket or in the radiator somewhere?


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: Pyper70] #537431
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I just added mine in the top of the rad. Originally I was going to put it in place of the drain, but the tank wasn't wide enough. Now I still can use the drain, and I don't have to empty it to check or replace the anode.
Jim

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i have no idea what caused my issues. i thought electrolisis from the grounds at first then antifreeze but i am blaming myself as brandon takes no responsibility. lol

i am guessing now maybe a combination of the grounds, antifreeze and poor quality aluminum ???

i pulled the heads to put on a new engine.

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I just added mine in the top of the rad. Originally I was going to put it in place of the drain, but the tank wasn't wide enough. Now I still can use the drain, and I don't have to empty it to check or replace the anode.
Jim




I am to assume you brazed a nut on to the top of the radiator and then inserted the anode into that? Have a picture maybe?


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J C Whitney used to sell a sacrificial anode that fit in the filler neck of the rad. It may have been attatched to the rad. cap, I can't remember right off hand.

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If you want to protect the head, the anode needs to be attached or grounded to the head. If the anode is in the radiator, it will protect the radiator.

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Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon




You don't read so well. I tried to jump on, but
there is no room on the wagon. Like I said,
some people love em and some hate em. With all the
Mopars in this neck of the woods, I've talked
to many that tried different parts from the source.
Some like the stuff, some will never buy that
garbage again. When Jason Line was still at
Line performance, years back, he said to me
(There is a reason cheap parts are not cheap)
with a smile and a nod.


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I'm always amazed... I recall the days when we (BBM guys) had limited choices for heads! ( I knew someone that bought Zeeker's back in the day for HUGE money) Now we over heads price pointed in the SBC range carry on


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I've got them and I've had no issues. They were checked out of the box and required some "fine tuning", I'm planning on getting some porting done in the future.
Jim

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looks like about 6 of the containers are on the bottom of the sea floor..most likly thats where your heads are at

hum? florida ship??


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So What about us guys that have dedicated race cars and cont run anything but Water Wetter. How do we protect aluminum heads on an iron block?
Coolant is banned from race tracks.


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