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is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? #537405
11/26/09 05:31 PM
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has anyone ran a set on the street? i wondering about how they hold up,and what it takes to get them right. any porting done? any problems? i realize we might have to have them done over by my head guy,but just wondering what they really need to be dependable. what kind of real world flow numbers are you getting??? i really like the castings to look like 906's..like to do a stroker to appear like original,thanks,mike

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537406
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I run them on my car and I use it as my daily driver spring-fall. No problems so far. Did nothing with mine, bolted them on and went. Drove them to work every day for the past few months until I put the car away for the winter. As for flow, stock they flow about the same as edelbrock rpm heads, +/- a few cfm throughout the lift range with the eddy's having a slight edge in the .5" and above valve lift. When CNC ported they flow on par with the CNC ported eddy's.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537407
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I have a set on my convert and drive have driven it about 5000 miles so far ... no problems what so ever , i did disassemble them and checked the valves and guides , but didn't have to do anything but reassemble em and bolt em on ... i cannot say the same thing about the last set of Indy SR heads I got

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537408
11/27/09 12:03 PM
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I have them on my 12.5 440.Been on over 2 years street driving and some racing.I had new springs retainers and keepers on mine as I run a .588 solid cam with 4 speed.My machinist back cut the valves and cleaned them up some.He is a stickler for perfection and he was impressed with them for under a grand.Rocky


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: therocks] #537409
11/27/09 03:58 PM
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Unfortunately, 440-source is currently backordered on stealth heads. Ive had an order in with them for a couple of months now. They originally told me 4-6 weeks, but now They're saying mid December. I notice now that their website link to the heads page doesn't show the heads, just the accessories, and they are also selling Eddy heads now. Hopefully they come in soon


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: StealthWedge67] #537410
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Unfortunately, 440-source is currently backordered on stealth heads. Ive had an order in with them for a couple of months now. They originally told me 4-6 weeks, but now They're saying mid December.




The container from China had a slight delay...




Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: Commando1] #537411
11/27/09 11:43 PM
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537412
11/28/09 01:33 AM
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my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.




Oh so that's why eddys have a rep for taking them out of the box and straight to the machine shop for a couple hundred bucks worth of repair?

I don't know what problems you had with yours, however when I called about having bought a first production set which were said to have defective valve locks/retainers they gave me a new set without issue.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537413
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.





so what was the issue ?

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: imfixinmopars426] #537414
11/28/09 04:27 AM
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I'm just finishing up a set for a friend of mine and I was really surprised at how good the finished machine work was on these heads. I had to do very little to straighten them out. Much less than I had to do to the Indy heads on my car.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537415
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i am running a set on a 383 right now. i wouldnt buy another set, partially because of the quality issues but mostly the attitude i got when i emailed about the problem.
my opinion is save your money and buy eddies, edelbrock stands behind their stuff.

I stood up for Brandon here alot when he was bashed daily on quality and overseas sourcing issues, when it was my turn to experience those issues he blew me off.

save your money, cheap will cost you more in the long run.





so what was the issue ?




I think he had this problem.


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: BDS871Cuda] #537416
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And this.


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: BDS871Cuda] #537417
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But not this, this was someone else!

This guy was making 1001 HP.

He should of stayed under 1000!!!

I don't know, just thinking what if
I would of just took the other route.

Anything can happen with any of this
so called garbage. It works fine for one guy,
and falls apart for the next guy.

Example= Holley Blue fuel pump. some guys love
em, others hate em.


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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: BDS871Cuda] #537418
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon

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Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537419
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those are my heads. they have 5000 miles on them using prestone antifreeze that is rated for aluminum. this is not 100% 440sources fault. its mine for running both grounds on the heads and not the block BUT when i emailed brandon he ignored me, i emailed again telling him i had sorted out the problem without his help and he ignored me again. the third time was to tell him he was a dick and thanks for blowing me off, his reply was if it was a problem i should have phoned and since i sorted out the issue he didnt care what the outcome was. if you follow the source threads you will find this is common with brandon

i was like you guys defending 440source in every fight (just ask JohnRR) but the way i was treated i will never spend another cent with them.
so so far i have had to put locks and retainers and repair and surface both heads. so the initial outlay of cash was ok but with repairs and replacing junk parts i am over the price of a eddy head

you guys that are running these heads, have you had them off since you put them on? you may be in for a surprise!!

bottom line is its your money buy whatever you like. just telling my experience with the quality and company.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: chrisf] #537420
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I have noticed that, when he first started brandon seemed patient and willing to back up his product.

Now he won't even exchange one of his brand new starters cuz the guy let it sit on the shelf too long?

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537421
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.

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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.




http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips10.htm

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: 68_300_conv] #537423
11/28/09 10:11 PM
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those heads look like they were run with the wrong antifreeze or the PH was way off on the mix. I have had a buddies set of heads off of his motor so we could slide a new 500 inch short block under them and there was no marking at all. Are those your heads or are you just saving the pictures so you can be part of the hater band wagon



your joking right? 5000miles NO WAY those heads should be looking like that. don't care if your running pure vinager.
if you look closly at those head pics its obvious that thats a casting issue. quality control was bypassed that day.
BTW what is the correct PH balance of antifreeze? all this time i thought it
was either 70/30, 60/40, or 50/50 mix. now its PH balance...
attached is a cylinder head with 80+k using the "wrong" antifreeze.




http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips10.htm





Interesting, but I never heard of someone checking ph before. Regardless, fresh coolant shouldn't go bad in 5000 miles.

Re: is anyone running a set of 440source alum. heads? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #537424
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The coolant wasn't the problem. It's the water that was used for dilution. I have seen perforated cylinder liners on a new 3406 Cat that had a hose blow off. The driver filled the rad back up with ditch water and because it was summer didn't worry about it. It didn't make it to cold weather time before it perforated most of the liners. No warranty either because of obvious lack of cooling system maintenance. That DCA level (don't ask me what it stands for)is critical.

Kevin

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