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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
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12/03/09 07:19 PM
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What I am looking for is Cast Iron, 4.500 Bore, Lifter bores bushed, Standard or raised cam block for 55mm cam, cross bolted mains. World used to have all their part numbers on thier web site but now it just show alum??
Did they run out of supply on the cast iron stuff. Really wanted their 4.500 cast iron race version. Just trying to figure out where all this info went.
We may have a few left with the lifter bores bushed,(I'll have to check)- if you are interested.
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: tntmachine]
#525293
12/04/09 11:18 AM
12/04/09 11:18 AM
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bigtimeauto
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Aluminum, cast, CGI, World, Indy, Koleno, Mopar: which is the best way to go for a all out race motor?
All out NA? CGI but you can't get regular ones, cast, then aluminum.
but i don't know anything.
BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: tntmachine]
#525295
12/04/09 12:00 PM
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Aluminum is not the best way to go if you are truly trying to build an all out pedal to the metal max HP deal, look at Pro Stock and Comp and see what they use. Having said that I am willing to give up the 20HP+- I could be loosing by using aluminum for the sake of less weight, and repairability. My junk is aluminum(KB)and made 2+hp per cube.
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: Al_Alguire]
#525296
12/04/09 12:05 PM
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Aluminum is not the best way to go if you are truly trying to build an all out pedal to the metal max HP deal, look at Pro Stock and Comp and see what they use. Having said that I am willing to give up the 20HP+- I could be loosing by using aluminum for the sake of less weight, and repairability. My junk is aluminum and made 2+hp per cube.
I am so curious as to why everyone thinks that iron is so unrepairable.
 Beautiful car by the way
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: BIG BEAR]
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12/04/09 12:26 PM
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BigBear any word on a low deck casting?
Steve
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Photobucket sucks
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: 72chrgrally]
#525298
12/04/09 12:33 PM
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BigBear any word on a low deck casting?
Steve
Sorry for the hijack Lane!
Don't worry bud, she's acomin!
So start saving now 
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/04/09 01:03 PM
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I am so curious as to why everyone thinks that iron is so unrepairable.
Beautiful car by the way
It is not that cast is not repairable. The cost and availability make it not a viable option for many. I had a windowed Hemi block from when my old Hemi let go. I was going to have it repaired as it had all the oiling mods, lifter bushings etc done to it. However by the time I paid the cost to have it repaired out here I was 2/3 the way to a new block so I went that route instead. As for fixing the aluminum block it is FAR easier to find a competent place to have the work done. FWIW I had a Mega block fixed out here once, by the tim I paid to have the block welded, put in a the two sleeves it needed and paid for the misc machining required i had an additional $2K in it. Hardly worth the effort these days when I can pick up a World block for $2600. Maybe for someone in the casting business having cast repaired is a simple process but for us pee ons in the world it aint so easy, cost affective or worth the effort. I am just a simple bracket racer and to me having something a bit lighter that can be easily fixed is worth the extra $$. I would have to ask what does a Koleno block cost similar to my KB. It has 55MM cam with roller bearings,and bushed lifter bores, just curious what this set up would run me for a Koleno? BTW Just my  on the subject.
BTW thanks for the kudos on the tank.
Well yes, you are right, aluminum is probably easier to weld on. However if you are unlucky enough to "blow up" your block, depending on the damage of course, wouldn't you hesitate putting your left over internals on a repaired block and  that it doesn't happen again.(just my thought). You are also right about farming the weld repair job out, it is expensive, even for us well to do billionairs 
As for the 55mm cam blocks, we do have a few left.None of them now have lifter bushings in them but I'm sure we could work something out on that. As they are now, it would be no additional cost. 
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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12/04/09 07:42 PM
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Aluminum, cast, CGI, World, Indy, Koleno, Mopar: which is the best way to go for a all out race motor?
All out NA? CGI but you can't get regular ones, cast, then aluminum.
but i don't know anything.
CGI is tuff stuff but I don't think anyone will manufacture it it takes to long to machine and to perfect it, you would need different tooling than grey iron, and by the looks of it no one has the money to invest.
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
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#525304
12/04/09 07:59 PM
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Unless I missed something it looks like you're not but a 1/2 hour or so from Koffel's Place Mi location.
4300 Haggerty Rd. Walled Lake MI. 48390
Koffel's Place
Could save you some serious coin on shipping and the Koffel's are great people to deal with.
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Re: 4.500 BB Engine Blocks????????
[Re: BIG BEAR]
#525306
12/04/09 10:09 PM
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Mo.
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BigBear any word on a low deck casting?
Steve
Sorry for the hijack Lane!
Don't worry bud, she's acomin!
So start saving now
Why did you quit bushing the lifter bores? We use pushrod oiling so that means another $400.00
for a block.
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Thanks dude and they are on sale now 
