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Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: demonH1B] #522752
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I ran first the 292 .509 then the 320 .533 with flat tops .030 in the hole with no valve reliefs with the dual springs with no problems! Had about .045 off the 906 heads too! Did a crude check on the 533 it was tighter .060 to .070 but never hit and I drove the crap out of it shifting as high as 6600 but best quarters were at 5800 to 6000

Now on a hydraulic I use solid Lifters and adjustable pushrods?? to check

Checking is always best? But back in the day

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgeballs] #522753
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528 solid would probably work well. The 557 and 509 will require a good stall (3000+) and 3.91's or better.
Also if you want to run the 509, be sure you have headers, a good dual plane intake, 750DP, along with the stall and gears, otherwise it's going to be a DOG out of the hole. TRUST me on that.


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Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #522754
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Big thing with the 509 is to make sure it is degreed at 107 they are dogs at 103 fun wow!!!

I two like RPM performer 750 holley, headers and 3000 if you don't degree the cam 4000??

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #522755
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Man, I guess SS was right. I should have posted more info. My car is a 4 speed/4.56 rear. Gonna have headers. I'd run a 557 if it won't play Chuck Woolery and make a Love Connection between my pistons and valves. Six Pack or Performer RPM.


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528 solid would probably work well. The 557 and 509 will require a good stall (3000+) and 3.91's or better.
Also if you want to run the 509, be sure you have headers, a good dual plane intake, 750DP, along with the stall and gears, otherwise it's going to be a DOG out of the hole. TRUST me on that.



Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgem] #522756
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I was looking here - http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/mpcam-tech-c.htm

And it says that the 509 should be installed at 108 per Chrysler.

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Big thing with the 509 is to make sure it is degreed at 107 they are dogs at 103 fun wow!!!

I two like RPM performer 750 holley, headers and 3000 if you don't degree the cam 4000??



Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgeballs] #522757
11/11/09 04:33 PM
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Man, I guess SS was right. I should have posted more info. My car is a 4 speed/4.56 rear. Gonna have headers. I'd run a 557 if it won't play Chuck Woolery and make a Love Connection between my pistons and valves. Six Pack or Performer RPM.


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528 solid would probably work well. The 557 and 509 will require a good stall (3000+) and 3.91's or better.
Also if you want to run the 509, be sure you have headers, a good dual plane intake, 750DP, along with the stall and gears, otherwise it's going to be a DOG out of the hole. TRUST me on that.







Why not try a newer cam grind? Straightline makes some good cams. I think the 6 pack pistons should be ok w/ a 557. after you subtract the lash you're about 537 or so.


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Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgeballs] #522758
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Quote:

I was looking here - http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/mpcam-tech-c.htm

And it says that the 509 should be installed at 108 per Chrysler.

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Big thing with the 509 is to make sure it is degreed at 107 they are dogs at 103 fun wow!!!

I two like RPM performer 750 holley, headers and 3000 if you don't degree the cam 4000??







Well that is wrong the suggest 106 got a mopar book right in my hand and every mopar book I've had in the last 26 years says 106.
Now in that 25 years I had one for 8 or so years and help 3 or more friends with them and I can tell you they love 103 intake installed centerline.
Now on a 4 speed (or a 4200 stall) 12.5 to 1 compression fully ported heads with 4.56 gears maybe 106
I swear some of you guys have never ran a car tried a different degree and tried it again!!!

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #522759
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Why not try a newer cam grind? Straightline makes some good cams. I think the 6 pack pistons should be ok w/ a 557. after you subtract the lash you're about 537 or so.


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Straightline no longer exists and he does spec a good cam ( I have a roller of his on the shelf) but they are someone elses grind??
Since everyone has a cam almost exactly the specs
of the 509 lift duration and LSA so buying from Comp cams or other makes it a new cam. these cams make serious power that's why they are copied.
Now for the guys that need/want less performance and some of the issues that come with them there are Summit brand cams!!!
There is probably something to the longer exhaust duration verses the intake but most still sell the even split and many builders perfer them so it is Tomato Tomato???

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgem] #522760
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I believe you. I don't know nothin. That's why I'm asking you guys. But is it 103 or 107 that you recomend? Your first post sounded like I should install it at 107. The second seems like you are saying to install it at 103?



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I was looking here - http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/mpcam-tech-c.htm

And it says that the 509 should be installed at 108 per Chrysler.

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Big thing with the 509 is to make sure it is degreed at 107 they are dogs at 103 fun wow!!!

I two like RPM performer 750 holley, headers and 3000 if you don't degree the cam 4000??







Well that is wrong the suggest 106 got a mopar book right in my hand and every mopar book I've had in the last 26 years says 106.
Now in that 25 years I had one for 8 or so years and help 3 or more friends with them and I can tell you they love 103 intake installed centerline.
Now on a 4 speed (or a 4200 stall) 12.5 to 1 compression fully ported heads with 4.56 gears maybe 106
I swear some of you guys have never ran a car tried a different degree and tried it again!!!




Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgeballs] #522761
11/11/09 09:32 PM
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I would recommend 104 give or take one (105 to 103)

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgem] #522762
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i know for a fact that they like 103-104.

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: MoparforLife] #522763
11/11/09 11:02 PM
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i know for a fact that they like 103-104.




and he'll like it too.You'll never know what your motor really likes if your just lining up the dots.
Whatever cam you decide,degree it so you'll know where your at.

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgeballs] #522764
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Man, I guess SS was right. I should have posted more info. My car is a 4 speed/4.56 rear. Gonna have headers. I'd run a 557 if it won't play Chuck Woolery and make a Love Connection between my pistons and valves. Six Pack or Performer RPM.


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528 solid would probably work well. The 557 and 509 will require a good stall (3000+) and 3.91's or better.
Also if you want to run the 509, be sure you have headers, a good dual plane intake, 750DP, along with the stall and gears, otherwise it's going to be a DOG out of the hole. TRUST me on that.






i never get as you put it "pissy". accurate information yields accurate responses.

Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? #522765
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accurate infomation yeilds accurate responses

and with that said...results will vary from engine to engine

I have seen engines with less do more with accurate dial in

from under the shade tree


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Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: Dodgem] #522766
11/12/09 09:40 AM
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Why not try a newer cam grind? Straightline makes some good cams. I think the 6 pack pistons should be ok w/ a 557. after you subtract the lash you're about 537 or so.


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Straightline no longer exists and he does spec a good cam ( I have a roller of his on the shelf) but they are someone elses grind??
Since everyone has a cam almost exactly the specs
of the 509 lift duration and LSA so buying from Comp cams or other makes it a new cam. these cams make serious power that's why they are copied.
Now for the guys that need/want less performance and some of the issues that come with them there are Summit brand cams!!!
There is probably something to the longer exhaust duration verses the intake but most still sell the even split and many builders perfer them so it is Tomato Tomato???




I talked to Scott the other day. I will be buying one of his cams soon. 236 (@.050) 550 solid. If you want his # PM me. Also the Summit 488 cam is pretty good. Got it to run 12.90 in a mild 9:1 440 in a 3900 lb B-body.


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Re: Highest lift cam on stock 440 ? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #522767
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I agree now that I should have made the topic more clear and given more info. My intention was to find out how much lift I could run with the stock pistons - and I was unclear about that. I didn't expect cam recommendations because I had asked that in another post - though I totally appreciate them (Dodgem and SWINGIN\'72)!


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accurate infomation yeilds accurate responses

and with that said...results will vary from engine to engine

I have seen engines with less do more with accurate dial in

from under the shade tree





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