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New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! #517300
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Looks like they are making a 5 speed that will fit directly into our cars with no cutting, and can handle some power.

I wonder what the details are, and how much $

http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Bangshift-Approved-The-McLeod-M-800-5-Speed-Transmission.html

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Looks really good,I just hope the entry fee is'nt 6k lol. Now if I sell my 2 race built 904s & 3 converters... Then I could bug you Larry about a good clutch setup.

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Looks good for the currently more and more big ci / mighty hp streetcars being build. Of course the big Q will be what it will survive on the strip I guess. It's just not me who will figure it out as I just ordered a GForce GF4A trans for the racer. As said, at least it looks tuff!


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I hear ya! I'd like to try one of these out with my RST street twin clutch setup. I just have a feeling that the cost is going to be big. I wonder what kind of ratios we are talking about too. Sure would be nice to drive to the track in an overdrive, but yet, still be able to shift through 4 gears at the track.

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Hopefully the price isn't too outrageous... If it's reasonable I've just found the perfect trans for my duster


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Per the comments section $2300.00

IMO, pretty reasonable.

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I thought i saw someone said 2300.00 in the comments section below the artical


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IF ITS REALLY !!!!!!2300!!!!!!! IM INN!!!

That even looks kind cool, better than the kesler imho

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I LIKE THE LOOK OF THIS AS WELL!

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I saw it at SEMA, Red from mcleod said they were thrashing to get it done in time for the show. The cluster gear is multi-peice, that allowed them to put a bearing in the middle of it that mounts in a bulkhead thru the middle of the case. That's where the strength comes from. THe overdrive is mounted in the tailshaft housing. It is all syncronized, so I don't know how well it will shift in drag racing applications. I suppose it can be slick shifted just like any 833 trans. I think he mentioned that 2300 price to me also. He also said they came in second place for best new product at SEMA.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Hemi_Joel] #517310
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: LAR_414] #517311
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If that thing is a bolt in in an A body SIGN ME UP ... the configuration in the link looks like E body

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #517313
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That shifter set-up looks like it could be the Achilles heel for street use and strips with dust covered pits.Other than that I like the look of it and it looks like you wouldn't need much fabrication to install it in any car.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fourgearsavoy] #517314
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I'm pretty stoked on this. I was soooo close to pulling the trigger on a much more expensive aftermarket 4-speed until I saw this. I'd think the shifter could be handled with a dust boot of some sort. I'd be amazed if they left it open to the elements.

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Jeremiah] #517315
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Wonder what the gear ratios are???

the Tremec 1 is too deep and the 1-2 is a little wide, I could go for a close to even spread 4 speed with a .8 od.

Something like:
2.56
1.92
1.28
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: LAR_414] #517316
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That is pretty cool. I don't see the $2300 happening, but it would be sweet if it were true. It looks from the background in the main picture that the shifter is mobile and that there is a short shaft version. I think I would buy it if the price is as speculated.

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i'd break it too!! now were was that g-force on racing junk !!! ahhahahahaha


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there is a vidio here with some info on it plus some more pics http://www.stangtv.com/forum/mcleod-hits-high-gear-their-new-6035.html

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Interesting gear arrangement and it looks pro-shifted. Perhaps they offer different gear sets with traditional syncros?



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That has to be the race version from the look of the straight cut gears and faceplate engagement dogs.
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Quote:

I LIKE THE LOOK OF THIS AS WELL!




Looks like it means business. So simple. Hope it works as good as it looks.

One of the photos shows straight-cut gears.

And, aluminum case?

Hope the Overdrive ratio is around 0.67

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Man. Too bad I already cut the scamp up for the tko-600. That thing looks bad.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fourgearsavoy] #517325
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Quote:

That has to be the race version from the look of the straight cut gears and faceplate engagement dogs.
Gus




What's wrong with dogs on the street? It looks to be the perfect multi-use unit for those of us that like to do some straight line action as well as some corner carving. I'll bet it would live with a street duty slipper clutch....

I'm interested to see how it shifts...I never really liked the feel of the tko's but that's me.

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I have known about this for a few weeks already prior to SEMA. The part that really upsets me is that the entire unit is made in Taiwan. That explains the 2300.00 price tag. I have to be honest with you though, I am more than scared looking at the gearset. Hasn't anyone noticed that the gears are VERY narrow. There is little room for load carrying capacity. I understand the bearing support on the cluster gear, However, that will not stop the teeth from wiping off. They say it will take 1000 lb ft of torque. I have heard Keisler state that the TKO will take 1400 lb ft or torque. However, we have seen these units break WELL below the 1000 mark. The thing that everyone is forgetting is... What kind of resistance was put behind the unit. If there is no resistance it should handle 10,000 lb ft of torque. NOW, put it in a 3600 lb car and lets see what happens...

I am not knocking it. I am just stating that physics is physics and we learned A LOT making the OD gearset as to what you need to make things survive. OH, and by the way, to my knowledge, there is no other gearset.

The other point, is... does this really looki like it is gonna fit in an A Body, or a front mount B Body? Just looking, I say no way... Any other input from people?

When I was speaking to Red, he really glossed over the "fitment" issue. He just said that the tail will fit all the Chrysler cars. I think that we all know that there are drastically different dimensions between the the main body styles. We shall see...

I don't know that I would rush out and buy one just yet...

I do welcome discussion on this topic.

Jamie


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The picture of the gearset looks to me like the billet trap door and gearset out of a Harley 5 speed(not noted for smooth shifting in high hp apps), with narrow straight cut gears and the shift drum is mounted on top in similar fashion. Just an observation. As with anything there will more than likely be a big difference between a precision machined and built dyno tested prototype, and a mass produced offshore manufacured production unit. never know it might hold up well bolted between a stroker and some stickies.

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I am very skeptical the depicted box in the linky will fit in the tunnel of an E body or a 68-70 B body. Being a bit older, maybe wiser now I will await the reports from the people who jump in and

get rather than get myself

Good luck...

In the meantime I will continue the yearly torture testing of the Passon Aluminum 4sp OD in my pos on the road course and the drag strip.

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Wicked,
Its funny you say that. That is exactly what it is. I am just very skeptical as to fitment. Like I said, when I spoke to Red at McLeod, he didn't even know what I was talking about as to the different crossmember locations and shifter locations.
Lets look at the details,
What about shifter handles, More $$$
can you use a console?
trans mounts and crossmembers, More $$$
speedo cables, etc, more $$$
driveshaft length, more $$$

So, once again, the $2300 really isn't $2300 at all...

Just pointing out details that surface once you start to try to put it in the car.


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Quote:

.... I have heard Keisler state that the TKO will take 1400 lb ft or torque.....





Actually Jamie, it is not Keisler that says the TKO will take 1400 ft/lbs, it was Tremec.
....and what our Tremec rep said was "they had a TKO-600 on a dyno and hit it with 1400 ft/lbs and the jig holding the tranny broke".

Take that for what it's worth as none of us here at Keisler were there when then went down, but we have never told anyone that a TKO-600 will definitely stand up to that much torque.




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Quote:

.... The part that really upsets me is that the entire unit is made in Taiwan. That explains the 2300.00 price tag...Jamie




That's right, everybody just keep on buying chinese made junk 'cause it's cheap. Mcleod will never get another dime of my money. To me, that's GREED. Plain and simple.
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I don't think that all McLeod stuff is junk. I am a distributor for their clutches. I only offer certain ones though because they are made in California still. Their lower line is Chinese. I won't handle them. It is terribly frustrating to see this. I know that we have the ability to do this stuff here. It seems like everyone just goes to China. Kills me. It is the trickle down effect.
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Richard,
My apologies, It wasn't a dig on you guys. I was trying to make a point that I really doubt the torque rating on this McLeod thing.


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I hear you Jamie, I made sure my clutch was made here in the USA from McLeod, and any of my parts for my trans are from you, so I know they are from here as well.

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No worries. I didn't take your response as a dig to us, I just wanted to make sure no one reading this took it the wrong way.

If they go back and look at my past posts, I have had nothing but good things to say about you and your transmissions and I have always seen your opinions to be very informative and upbeat.





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Other than custom stuff like Viper 6 Speeds, Richmond 5 speeds, etc. Right now we basically have 3 choices for a steetable OD manual trans: Passon, Kiesler, and Gear Vendor.

All of them have thier good and bad points, the reasons people choose one over the other often comes down to nothing more than personal choice. I wouldn't mind seeing another choice come into the market, it will likely have it's good and bad points as well but the price, even though bare bones, makes it look pretty good. Time will tell.

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I saw the piece at SEMA and was told fitment in an A-body was no problem, so why would it be an issue in a B-body? Again, at SEMA, I was told there'd be 2 mounting points to accomodate people so again what's the problem? Most hotrodders nowadays have custom driveshafts built so AGAIN I don't see an issue. Now it being Chinese made I understand & agree with being concerned. As a consumer & someone not in the automotive industry I find it "intersting" that representatives from other companies are so quick to highlight its shortcomings when there hasn't even been published performance results on the thing. That's kinda like finding someone guilty before a trial......

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I must have walked right by this thing.

No mention of it being a Mopar app that I saw.
Sure looks like it sticks out in spots where the floor is.
The shifter deal looks a bit funky, but boots should prevent and dirt issues.
Not happy with the import deal, but to the guy that said we buy because it's cheap, maybe it's more like buy that or nothing....
I sure won't be in the market for one in the near future, but I'm glad there is another choice. T oo many booths said that they do stuff, untill they saw my Mopar badge and shirt. I even had one guy say "Why don't you just go with an LS1 like everyone else?" I expect he drives a silver econobox and lives in a planned gated community...

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I see your point. I am not trying to be a jerk. I am not pointing out the shortcomings. I am pointing out that it doesn't seem like it is gonna be able to fit where they say it is going to. Has anyone looked at how far above the trans the shifter mechanism is? There is NO WAY that is gonna fit without cutting the floor. I doubt that a console will fit over it either.

Well, I don't want to get a bad rap here. So, I will just wait and see what develops with it...
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I saw the piece at SEMA and was told fitment in an A-body was no problem, so why would it be an issue in a B-body? Again, at SEMA, I was told there'd be 2 mounting points to accomodate people so again what's the problem? Most hotrodders nowadays have custom driveshafts built so AGAIN I don't see an issue. Now it being Chinese made I understand & agree with being concerned. As a consumer & someone not in the automotive industry I find it "intersting" that representatives from other companies are so quick to highlight its shortcomings when there hasn't even been published performance results on the thing. That's kinda like finding someone guilty before a trial......




70 and earlier B bodies have their shifter mounting point FOWARD of a A body and VERY forward of an E body , I own both an A body and a 69 B body , no way that thing is going in there with that tailshaft without HACKING the tunnel , as it is I think the cover on the trans is going to require some MASSAGING of the tunnel to fit .


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It looks to me that the shifter block assy can be rotated 180, and bolted in front to acomidate a different mounting hole in the floor. I dont think its gonna be a drop in deal, but I do think it will be cheaper to manufacture a cover on the kick out.

Kasey

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Interesting gear arrangement and it looks pro-shifted. Perhaps they offer different gear sets with traditional syncros?






I hope they offer a HELICAL gearset , that straight cut gear will not be fun in a street car

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I saw the piece at SEMA and was told fitment in an A-body was no problem, so why would it be an issue in a B-body? Again, at SEMA, I was told there'd be 2 mounting points to accomodate people so again what's the problem? Most hotrodders nowadays have custom driveshafts built so AGAIN I don't see an issue. Now it being Chinese made I understand & agree with being concerned. As a consumer & someone not in the automotive industry I find it "intersting" that representatives from other companies are so quick to highlight its shortcomings when there hasn't even been published performance results on the thing. That's kinda like finding someone guilty before a trial......




70 and earlier B bodies have their shifter mounting point FOWARD of a A body and VERY forward of an E body , I own both an A body and a 69 B body , no way that thing is going in there with that tailshaft without HACKING the tunnel , as it is I think the cover on the trans is going to require some MASSAGING of the tunnel to fit .





I believe the link stated that the trans was available with different tailshafts for Mopar, Gm and Ford apps. Who says that the one shown is for a '69 B body?


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Everything that shines, ain't gold. I wont be the guinea pig, I will wait for proof. I'll stick to my Glide till then. Saving my pennies for a liberty or jerico.

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Everything that shines, ain't gold. I wont be the guinea pig, I will wait for proof. I'll stick to my Glide till then. Saving my pennies for a liberty or jerico.




agreed...i got a little excited when i saw this tranny since it is another 5 speed option for everyone, but the price seemed too good to be true, and now after reading it is taiwan produced it is obvious why...mind you, as much as i support North American made products, not ALL overseas stuff is bad...i read that gm version will be out in march 2010 with mopar ones soon to follow...way i see it is let the chevy boys be the guinea pigs for us mopar guys lol

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Oh man...what a drag. I did not realize this unit was made outside of the US...my goal in saving for a OD trans was to get one made in-country....

I guess I will have to do some soul searching on this one. Perhaps the obvious choice would be sticking to a reliable vendor that has helped me mucho in the past <cough> Passon...

Interesting read, keep it coming folks.

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Everything that shines, ain't gold. I wont be the guinea pig, I will wait for proof. I'll stick to my Glide till then. Saving my pennies for a liberty or jerico.




agreed...i got a little excited when i saw this tranny since it is another 5 speed option for everyone, but the price seemed too good to be true, and now after reading it is taiwan produced it is obvious why...mind you, as much as i support North American made products, not ALL overseas stuff is bad...i read that gm version will be out in march 2010 with mopar ones soon to follow...way i see it is let the chevy boys be the guinea pigs for us mopar guys lol



The only problem with using the GM guys for the guinea pigs is just about ANY trans will fit in a Chevy.I had to do alot of fabrication to fit the Richmond 5-speed in my car and my buddy took the Muncie out of his 'Camino and just bolted the Richmond in
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Fishmarket] #517348
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I saw the piece at SEMA and was told fitment in an A-body was no problem, so why would it be an issue in a B-body? Again, at SEMA, I was told there'd be 2 mounting points to accomodate people so again what's the problem? Most hotrodders nowadays have custom driveshafts built so AGAIN I don't see an issue. Now it being Chinese made I understand & agree with being concerned. As a consumer & someone not in the automotive industry I find it "intersting" that representatives from other companies are so quick to highlight its shortcomings when there hasn't even been published performance results on the thing. That's kinda like finding someone guilty before a trial......




70 and earlier B bodies have their shifter mounting point FOWARD of a A body and VERY forward of an E body , I own both an A body and a 69 B body , no way that thing is going in there with that tailshaft without HACKING the tunnel , as it is I think the cover on the trans is going to require some MASSAGING of the tunnel to fit .





I believe the link stated that the trans was available with different tailshafts for Mopar, Gm and Ford apps. Who says that the one shown is for a '69 B body?





take a close look at the tailshaft , if I remember right someone said 5th is in the tail , like a T 5 is ... i vaguely remember when I pro shifted one ... with this in mind look where the trans mount is , for a 70 down b body the shifter and it's INTERNAL RAIL system will have to be FORWARD of the mount , ASSuMEing the mount is in the stock mopar location .

We have another drop in NO HACK 5speed on the market and anyone with half a brain and an internet connection have read the horror stories of their installations , i have a friend that putthe TKO in his 69 RR , he didn't heed my warning and had the car painted , put the motor in and some the incorrect engine trans angle , had to hack open the floor pan to get the angle closer , but not factory correct ...
I believe the link stated that the trans was available with different tailshafts for Mopar, Gm and Ford apps. Who says that the one shown is for a '69 B body?

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Everything that shines, ain't gold. I wont be the guinea pig, I will wait for proof. I'll stick to my Glide till then. Saving my pennies for a liberty or jerico.




exactly , I'll wait till someone actually installs one in a mopar A or B body before I plunk down the cash ... but then again a faceplated straight cut gear trans isn't what I would consider street friendly ...

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #517350
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To be polite, prefer to stick with factory 4 or us made 5 gears than go with import.
Funny, I looked into making a product recently, the cost was cheaper to do onshore than overseas.
Even the raw material supplier is usa was able to beat the imports price and assure iso compliance.
Anything can be made in this country, just how greedy do you want to be?

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FWIW, I believe most Tremec trannies are made in Mexico now...

just sayin'.....


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: theclutcher] #517352
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Where did the picture of the gearset come from?

It looks like a totally different application.

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Well,
I was not going to say anything just yet, BUT I feel that in light of the recent buzz about the McLeod trans, I guess it won’t hurt.

For a couple years now, we have been working on a NEW 5 Speed trans for Chrysler cars. We were not aware that McLeod was also doing it.

This is a clean sheet project. In other words, we are building this from the ground up. Due to our extensive experience with the cars that it must fit into, our individual designs that we will be offering will make installation easy. In fact, we feel that it will be something that the average guy can put in their car in just a few hours.

This unit will be a BOLT IN!!!!!!! No monkey business with driveline angles, notching torsion bar crossmembers, redrilling bellhouisngs, changing clutches. You will retain your ORIGINAL shifter handle in the ORIGINAL location. The unit will look like it came from the factory in the car. It will be a HURST style shifter arrangement with external linkage, just like the design of shifter that these great cars left the factory with.

There will be an A Body trans
There will be a B Body trans (‘63- ‘69)
There will be a'70 - UP B/E Body trans.

You will use your ORIGINAL driveshaft and yoke
You will use your ORIGINAL transmission crossmember and trans mount
You will use your ORIGINAL bellhousing
You will use your ORIGINAL flywheel,
You will use your ORIGINAL clutch and throwout bearing (18 spline only)

The unit WILL fit under the floor pan with no modifications.

Due to the simplicity here, it WILL be as easy as changing the trans. Truly an afternoon job.

As for cost… I can tell you this, it will not be $2300.00, HOWEVER, I feel that the price will be fair considering that the unit is MADE for the car. Versus taking an existing trans and trying to shoehorn it in and not cut the car as other manufacturers have tried in the past.

To accomplish the project, we have drawn on the years of gear cutting experience from our partner GFI. This is the organization that we have been working with our very successful Hemi OD project. They have a brand new CNC gear cutting facility that WE will be manufacturing the units.in.

And now for the BEST part…….

IT IS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA!

There will be more to come….


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: DoctorDiff] #517354
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To Jamie passon: I don't think anyone here thinks you are a jerk for the comments you have made. I for one appreciate your insight. You can probably tell more about this product from one look than most of us after studying it for hours. I will not put a chinese trans in my car if it is perfect. I think this crap has to stop somewhere & I will only support vendors of american made products. Just my

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Sounds cool Jamie! Gear selections? Possible release date?

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Well,
I was not going to say anything just yet, BUT I feel that in light of the recent buzz about the McLeod trans, I guess it won’t hurt.

For a couple years now, we have been working on a NEW 5 Speed trans for Chrysler cars. We were not aware that McLeod was also doing it.

This is a clean sheet project. In other words, we are building this from the ground up. Due to our extensive experience with the cars that it must fit into, our individual designs that we will be offering will make installation easy. In fact, we feel that it will be something that the average guy can put in their car in just a few hours.

This unit will be a BOLT IN!!!!!!! No monkey business with driveline angles, notching torsion bar crossmembers, redrilling bellhouisngs, changing clutches. You will retain your ORIGINAL shifter handle in the ORIGINAL location. The unit will look like it came from the factory in the car. It will be a HURST style shifter arrangement with external linkage, just like the design of shifter that these great cars left the factory with.

There will be an A Body trans
There will be a B Body trans (‘63- ‘69)
There will be a'70 - UP B/E Body trans.

You will use your ORIGINAL driveshaft and yoke
You will use your ORIGINAL transmission crossmember and trans mount
You will use your ORIGINAL bellhousing
You will use your ORIGINAL flywheel,
You will use your ORIGINAL clutch and throwout bearing (18 spline only)

The unit WILL fit under the floor pan with no modifications.

Due to the simplicity here, it WILL be as easy as changing the trans. Truly an afternoon job.

As for cost… I can tell you this, it will not be $2300.00, HOWEVER, I feel that the price will be fair considering that the unit is MADE for the car. Versus taking an existing trans and trying to shoehorn it in and not cut the car as other manufacturers have tried in the past.

To accomplish the project, we have drawn on the years of gear cutting experience from our partner GFI. This is the organization that we have been working with our very successful Hemi OD project. They have a brand new CNC gear cutting facility that WE will be manufacturing the units.in.

And now for the BEST part…….

IT IS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA!

There will be more to come….




How much power will it handle? Will it be a street only unit, or should it be also strong enough for racing on slicks?

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We are SWAMPED today. I will hopefully get back on here later with some more info. I am a little reserved as to saying too much just yet. It will be more than capable of handling almost anything that you can throw at it. (We are not finished testing just yet, so I am not spitting out any figures) As for a street only, we are planning to make a full race version as well, but this will be down the road. You will certainly be able to race the standard version.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517359
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Jamie, I had been researching the parts needed to do a 5 speed in my 65 Coronet recently. I've got a 528 hemi 750 hp, 725# tq. I was just about to pull the trigger on beginning to buy parts when I saw the bit about the McLeod unit. I got pretty excitied about it until I read more of this thread. I take it it would be worth my while to wait a bit more and get more info on your new trans. Any rough idea of when they might be available? Thanks.


Yeah, it's got a hemi........a REAL hemi.
Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: 65HemiCoronet] #517360
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something i just found out....on the mcleod forum it says that the tranny will only have helical cut gears with synchros, so im not to sure what that gearset picture was from then...

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Jamie i have been sitting here thinking to myself,
This sounds like something that Jamie should be doing.
I am glad you have made a 5 speed.
I know your tranny's are the best out there!
I hope everyone will atleast do the research when you want to buy a tranny,
and you will find out how great Jamie is and his product is that much better!!!

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Jamie,,,,

Im sure it will sell like hot dogs in a ball park...

The true drop in is what 90% of us gear heads want. I converted my Demon to a rowing maching, and I really want a 5 speed, but dont want to cut anything up again, it was a big enough pain in the ass to find a good 4 speed hump, and I dont want to deal with the mess again. THis was before I could get a new floor...

Kasey

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Where did the picture of the gearset come from?

It looks like a totally different application.




http://www.stangtv.com/forum/mcleod-hits-high-gear-their-new-6035.html#


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That is really good news Jamie! it's great that your throwing this option out there for those of us who refuse to cut out cars up and still have the best of all worlds. I can't wait to see the finished product!

Rick

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Well,
I was not going to say anything just yet, BUT I feel that in light of the recent buzz about the McLeod trans, I guess it won’t hurt.

For a couple years now, we have been working on a NEW 5 Speed trans for Chrysler cars. We were not aware that McLeod was also doing it.

This is a clean sheet project. In other words, we are building this from the ground up. Due to our extensive experience with the cars that it must fit into, our individual designs that we will be offering will make installation easy. In fact, we feel that it will be something that the average guy can put in their car in just a few hours.

This unit will be a BOLT IN!!!!!!! No monkey business with driveline angles, notching torsion bar crossmembers, redrilling bellhouisngs, changing clutches. You will retain your ORIGINAL shifter handle in the ORIGINAL location. The unit will look like it came from the factory in the car. It will be a HURST style shifter arrangement with external linkage, just like the design of shifter that these great cars left the factory with.

There will be an A Body trans
There will be a B Body trans (‘63- ‘69)
There will be a'70 - UP B/E Body trans.

You will use your ORIGINAL driveshaft and yoke
You will use your ORIGINAL transmission crossmember and trans mount
You will use your ORIGINAL bellhousing
You will use your ORIGINAL flywheel,
You will use your ORIGINAL clutch and throwout bearing (18 spline only)

The unit WILL fit under the floor pan with no modifications.

Due to the simplicity here, it WILL be as easy as changing the trans. Truly an afternoon job.

As for cost… I can tell you this, it will not be $2300.00, HOWEVER, I feel that the price will be fair considering that the unit is MADE for the car. Versus taking an existing trans and trying to shoehorn it in and not cut the car as other manufacturers have tried in the past.

To accomplish the project, we have drawn on the years of gear cutting experience from our partner GFI. This is the organization that we have been working with our very successful Hemi OD project. They have a brand new CNC gear cutting facility that WE will be manufacturing the units.in.

And now for the BEST part…….

IT IS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA!

There will be more to come….



Does anyone want to buy a Richmond 5-speed???
I still have all my factory stuff to make an 833 work in my car
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fourgearsavoy] #517366
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Jamie,,,,

Im sure it will sell like hot dogs in a ball park...

The true drop in is what 90% of us gear heads want. I converted my Demon to a rowing maching, and I really want a 5 speed, but dont want to cut anything up again
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: 72demon416] #517367
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I think it is great that Mcleod is building this, even tho unfortunataly it is apparently foriegn built. We are fotunate to have companies like McLeod and Passon and Liberty and G-force and the others who are willing to step up and make cool stuff for our old Mopars! I don't like buying foreign, but it sure seems to be a way of life nowdays. For cripes sake, my 93 dodge dually was built in Mexico, my 04 Dodge Ram was built by a foriegn company, THe crank and rods in my Hemi are forign. I wish everything was USA built like in the old days, but what's a guy to do? You have to go with what is best going to accomplish your goals, all things considered.
When Passon came out with his 4 speed overdrive gears, I thought it was the greatest! Looks like Mcleads 5 speed is a cool deal too, and I'm sure Jamies 5 speed will be excellent.

When I get my but in gear and get my green GTX back on the street, I'm still thinking I'll go with the Passion 4 speed overdrive. With big inch Hemi tork, you don't really have a use for 5 gears any way.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Hemi_Joel] #517368
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O.K.,
I FINALLY got a minute here.

First I would like to say thank you for all the encouragement. This is definitely the largest thing that we have ever undertaken. However, it seems to be coming together nicely.

I have three gear ratio options. The difference is the 5th gear ratio.

Option#1
1st 2.64
2nd 1.92
3rd 1.40
4th 1.00
5th .75

Option #2
1st 2.64
2nd 1.92
3rd 1.40
4th 1.00
5th .71

Option #3
1st 2.64
2nd 1.92
3rd 1.40
4th 1.00
5th .66

We are possibly considering a different 1st gear ratio as well, but it is likely that we necessitate changing 2nd and 3rd as well to accomodate. I am not sure about that yet.

So, can everyone that is interested, give me some feedback on these ratios. I feel that we are prepared to make two ratios.
Thanks,
Jamie


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517369
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I think my choices would be gear option #3 for those who want "maximum overdrive" (that was a movie wasn't it?), and options #1&2 are fairly close, maybe something in between those two for the second one? Again any idea when we may see something on the market?? (not to rush you or anything!)


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517370
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We are SWAMPED today. I will hopefully get back on here later with some more info. I am a little reserved as to saying too much just yet. It will be more than capable of handling almost anything that you can throw at it. (We are not finished testing just yet, so I am not spitting out any figures) As for a street only, we are planning to make a full race version as well, but this will be down the road. You will certainly be able to race the standard version.




Jamie , you've already said to much , I wouldn't say another word till you are ready to go to market .

Just remember what happened when everyones favorite provider of CCJ spoke to soon and also was dumb enough to quote an UNREALISTIC price , you're smarter than that i see, then couldn't come to market because his price wasn't realistic and the market wasn't there...

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I like option 3 , would work well in a car with a steep gear .

If you do a race only box that might be the place for the steeper 1st gear ?

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my are this:

I personally like the richmond approach, of having a deep first and direct/low OD 5th. this would allow the use of a tall rear gear, which case for case is stronger than a steep gear, and it has the big benefit of keeping driveshaft RPM down....

What would be neat would be to have 2 gearsets, one with a 3.30-3.50ish first gear and a 1:1 5th, or so. maybe something like a 3.3/2.2/1.5/1/.8 or .85 if 5th needs to be OD, or a 3.5 first, and your proposed 1-4 ratios as 2-5.

for those with dana's, who their tallest gear choice is a 3.54, option #3 looks like the best bet.

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I am hoping for Spring of 2010 for release. As for price, I am not saying anything just yet, but I can say it will be fair. No greediness here.


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With that release date i'm assuming Tom Quad has already tested one in his killer AAR ???




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man,we are so ready for this.......


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Option#3 would be the most popular for people runnimg 3.73 and numerically higher rear gears. If you are going to do a second option.....option #1 with a little steeper first gear would be great for the 3.54 and 3.23 cars. You would have pretty much everyone covered.

Or you could just split the difference and just offer option#2 to keep the costs down a bit.
Either way I think this will be a very popular item depending on the cost.

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This should be great! And as far as pricing if I buy a part and it fits and works like it should I'm happy. A $3500 part that I have to spend months working out the bugs on is not half as good (to me) as say a $4500 part that works right out of the box.


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my are this:

I personally like the richmond approach, of having a deep first and direct/low OD 5th. this would allow the use of a tall rear gear, which case for case is stronger than a steep gear, and it has the big benefit of keeping driveshaft RPM down....

What would be neat would be to have 2 gearsets, one with a 3.30-3.50ish first gear and a 1:1 5th, or so. maybe something like a 3.3/2.2/1.5/1/.8 or .85 if 5th needs to be OD, or a 3.5 first, and your proposed 1-4 ratios as 2-5.

for those with dana's, who their tallest gear choice is a 3.54, option #3 looks like the best bet.



I think, and this is just my opinion, that offering a 1:1 fifth gear is not the way to go considering an aftermarket item that would be used in conjunction with what is installed in most performance cars.....meaning that I think for the most part, guys are currently running 3:70, 4:10 or a bit higer rear gears and are looking for a 5th gear to bring the cruising rpms down. By offering a lower first gear and a 1:1 5th, they would have to change the gears in the rear to take advantage of it. More costs to buying the trans to put in an existing car...
Again just my opinion.


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Great news, .
Maybe a ratio like the red stripe with od for 5th,
probably would be popular.
Maybe do some homework and design ratios for a race only set with 1-1 fifth.
Again, hats off to you.

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I like option #3...the .66 would be nice with my 4:10's and small polyglas tires on the street but it would be nice to see a 2:95-3:05 1'st gear for a more controlled launch with slicks. That would be the best of both worlds.
I really do like the close ratio's of my 23 spline and if that can remain with just a little more 1'st gear grunt it would be all I could ask for.

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"We are possibly considering a different 1st gear ratio as well, but it is likely that we necessitate changing 2nd and 3rd as well to accomodate. I am not sure about that yet."


A "gear-set" that was set up for drag racing(ish) and having that OD for the cruise home would be nice. I personally have a 3rd gen hemi in my car and Chyrsler put 3.59 first gear in the NAG trans to help the car out of the hole then has a .67 for 5th. Allows us to put 3:23 or 3:55 in rear and have best of both worlds. Just my


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Jamie have you contacted Long for a shifter yet or can we use the current 5-speed Hurst unit on the market now? I also like the 1.1 fifth concept like my Richmond with a 3.27 low gear.The 3.54 rear gear with that low gear works pretty well for my 3500# car with the 493 The #2 choice with a 4.10 gear would work well also You need to have a good mechanical advantage to keep the clutch from glazing on the launch.
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Gus,
In keeping with the true bolt in deal. In other words being open and up front as far as costs go, the transmission will include a shifter and linkage. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't be any better than the "other" guys out there because you would need another $400+ dollars worth of shifter and linkage to be able to use the trans. It will be a HURST style shifter. Long makes good stuff, but it just isn't gonna fit where it needs to.

A note to everyone. Making a .85 OD ratio in my opinion is a waste of time. Our current OD Hemi 4 speed gearset has a .80 and I have heard people saying that it isn't enough overdrive. So, I can tell you that is out. I am on the fence about making a 3.2 first gear. That is PRETTY steep. If we make a steeper 1st gear, I am thinking something in the 2.9's.

As for Quadrini, I'll never tell.
Thanks,
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Gus,
In keeping with the true bolt in deal. In other words being open and up front as far as costs go, the transmission will include a shifter and linkage. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't be any better than the "other" guys out there because you would need another $400+ dollars worth of shifter and linkage to be able to use the trans. It will be a HURST style shifter. Long makes good stuff, but it just isn't gonna fit where it needs to.

A note to everyone. Making a .85 OD ratio in my opinion is a waste of time. Our current OD Hemi 4 speed gearset has a .80 and I have heard people saying that it isn't enough overdrive. So, I can tell you that is out. I am on the fence about making a 3.2 first gear. That is PRETTY steep. If we make a steeper 1st gear, I am thinking something in the 2.9's.

As for Quadrini, I'll never tell.
Thanks,
Jamie




the .8 of the 4 speed isn't steep enough only because first isn't steep enough

check out the A580 tranny ratios in the LX's....mid 3.59 for first, and IIRC, a .83 OD, coupled with a 2.82 rear, has the same gear multiplication as a 2.64 first and 3.83 rear, and the final drive of a 3.54 with a .66 OD.....to me, the big thing is this strategy keeps the driveshaft RPM down. for instance, for a 27" tall tire at 120 MPH, that's 1495 RPM at the wheel. using a 4.10 gear and .66 OD make the driveshaft RPM 6130 RPM, with the engine at 4050 RPM. a deep first/1:1 OD with a 2.71 rear has both the driveshaft and engine spinning 4050 RPM at the same speed....

the crown victoria police interceptors are actually electronically limited to 125 MPH because of driveshaft RPM....


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #517385
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With that release date i'm assuming Tom Quad has already tested one in his killer AAR ???








I am waiting for the call to show up with my car for the transplant...yes the product will be torture tested...I can't wait... Road racing just got better.

Thanks Jamie!

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Good luck with the new venture. Looks like a nice product.

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This is incredible news.Ive been driving my 6speed WS6 Trans Am all summer while getting my 66 satellite put together.Yesterday is the first day I have had my 66 running, driving,and insured and I spent a good part of the day cruising around in it.The first thing that came to mind while driving the satellite was ,"man I sure wish I had another gear or 2 for the highway".
I cant wait for the passon 5 speed,its exactly what we all have been wanting,especially with the .66 overdrive.

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If this McLeod 5spd comes out at around $2300, I might just have to pick one up............

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2.93 is a nice ratio.
a red stripe set with a 2.93 1st and an od for fifth...
then a race only spread with 1-1 fifth.

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This should be great! And as far as pricing if I buy a part and it fits and works like it should I'm happy. A $3500 part that I have to spend months working out the bugs on is not half as good (to me) as say a $4500 part that works right out of the box.




And for me a $4500 trans would be out of the question as would be the same for alot of realistic budget based Mopar hotrodders.

Kudos to Passon for stepping up to the plate in developing a drop in trans for the Mopar community and the cherry on top would be that it is made in the USA but....if the pricing isnt there then for most it will not be a option.

This is only my opinion and I consider myself your average mopar hobbyist.

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And for me a $4500 trans would be out of the question as would be the same for alot of realistic budget based Mopar hotrodders.

Kudos to Passon for stepping up to the plate in developing a drop in trans for the Mopar community and the cherry on top would be that it is made in the USA but....if the pricing isnt there then for most it will not be a option.

This is only my opinion and I consider myself your average mopar hobbyist.




For me it is going to come down to the TOTAL cost, because I want to convert from automatic. But the cost of a Keisler conversion is in the $4500-$5000 range and what stops me from doing that is the thought of hacking up the torsion bar x-member, and the fear that after all is said and done it won't line up right.

If Jamie builds a true bolt in kit for A-bodies, and the price for a conversion is comparable to the Keisler I will buy one.


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The BEST part of Jamie's trans is that you don't need any special custom parts to install it
Everything you need can be had from the Moparts community in good used form such as bell,flywheel,fork,Z-bar etc...
The keisler unit needs some custom parts that only they manufacture.When you do that then you have a baztard-Frankenstein unit that they only supply parts for.
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i cant wait for theese od trans to come out.all four of my cars have 4 speed in them.if they work out good,i'll buy one for every car.i use race gas in all of them,i bet money saved in gas and engine wear,will pay for the trans.


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If Jamie builds a true bolt in kit for A-bodies, and the price for a conversion is comparable to the Keisler I will buy one.






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If Jamie builds a true bolt in kit for A-bodies, and the price for a conversion is comparable to the Keisler I will buy one.






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This should be great! And as far as pricing if I buy a part and it fits and works like it should I'm happy. A $3500 part that I have to spend months working out the bugs on is not half as good (to me) as say a $4500 part that works right out of the box.




And for me a $4500 trans would be out of the question as would be the same for alot of realistic budget based Mopar hotrodders.

Kudos to Passon for stepping up to the plate in developing a drop in trans for the Mopar community and the cherry on top would be that it is made in the USA but....if the pricing isnt there then for most it will not be a option.

This is only my opinion and I consider myself your average mopar hobbyist.




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ill be watching this topic,,

im in need of a 5 speed box with a steep 1st gear and a nice OD,, i run a 33 inch trall tire,,,and drive to a lot of cruise nite,,, i justy removed a 4;56 and put in a 3;91..

with the correct gear selection,,and a 5 speed i could have just as good off the line performance and cruiseablitly,,,a stock 1st gear wont work in my application,,


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I have three gear ratio options. The difference is the 5th gear ratio.




Any hope for a 6 speed?

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I guess this really hasn't been done/talked about enough, but if you are going to cut the floor up anyway for the Keisler unit... Tremec T-56 6 speeds out of GM f body cars can be had on E-bay for 600 bucks. Quicktime makes the bellhousing to bolt this trans to small or big block mopars.

Doesn't take much reading on ls1tech.com or other GM/Viper/Cobra sites to see the t-56 has been proven FAR past its given torque rating.

As far as 5 speeds, there is a lot more market for a $5k bolt-in trans than a $5k cut-it-up trans.

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I guess this really hasn't been done/talked about enough, but if you are going to cut the floor up anyway for the Keisler unit... Tremec T-56 6 speeds out of GM f body cars can be had on E-bay for 600 bucks. Quicktime makes the bellhousing to bolt this trans to small or big block mopars.

Doesn't take much reading on ls1tech.com or other GM/Viper/Cobra sites to see the t-56 has been proven FAR past its given torque rating.

As far as 5 speeds, there is a lot more market for a $5k bolt-in trans than a $5k cut-it-up trans.




Based on what i see now, and this is the number one hangup with my Challenger project right now (needing an OD stick), this is probably what route i'd take.

The McLeod unit is still up in the air by the sounds ov things. But the price is at least decent. And really, i could give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] where it was made as long as the quality is there. China doesn't necessarily mean junk, just like homebuilt doesn't necessarily mean quality.

Keisler sounds decent for what i need, but i'm not rich, and i still hear the Tremec has high-speed shifting issues. I wish they made a T56 kit... then again, that'd be even more coin now wouldn't it...???

Richmond or other custom stuff is more expensive than Keisler, and probably (even more ov) a nightmare if something breaks in the middle ov nowhere.

The Passon 5spd again, outta my budget, no matter how good it is. And personally, not a fan ov the 4spd OD idea, drove one (a stock truck unit in a 340 Demon), and just did NOT like the gear spread. I wouldn't even want that in a 440 car where the torque could mitigate the disadvantage.

The stock 1:1 4spd and 2.76 rear gears has an obvious disadvantage. This is my default route, hopefully i can find a better way by crunch time.

I really like the T-56 though. I'm sure someone out there has come up with a cheaper way to use it behind a Mopar big block by now. I really like the idea ov having a 4.56 or lower gear, and still running like a 2.76 on the highway. Even with a 5spd OD i'd still be stuck with a 3.91/4.10 ish rear gear to keep a really long final gear on the highway.

Anyone else done this 'junkyard' T-56 swap (since we're already derailing this thread a bit...)

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The McLeod unit is still up in the air by the sounds ov things. But the price is at least decent. And really, i could give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] where it was made as long as the quality is there. China doesn't necessarily mean junk, just like homebuilt doesn't necessarily mean quality.

The Passon 5spd again, outta my budget, no matter how good it is. And personally, not a fan ov the 4spd OD idea, drove one (a stock truck unit in a 340 Demon), and just did NOT like the gear spread. I wouldn't even want that in a 440 car where the torque could mitigate the disadvantage.








See, this is where you are wrong. Our 4 spd OD gearset isn't even close to the gearset in the truck trans that you drove in the Demon. I don't feel that you are giving that option a fair shake.

As for the imported thing, that is entirely your call. The unit is actually made in Korea, not China. If it doesn't matter to you that it is imported, that is fine, it sounds like it should fit what you need and it will fit into your budget. What kind of horsepower did you have?
Thanks,
Jamie


We are looking at less then 5 grand for this unit.

*fixed your quote for you Jamie

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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517403
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Jamie,
Any more updates on timing for your trans? Any general balpark on how much power to weight it can handle? Is this designed for the 12 second street strip full body car or more toward the 10 second street strip full body car?

Talk a little bit more about this, if you can.

Thanks,
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or the feasability of a set of straight cut 2.93/red stripe ratios to install in a std 4spd box.

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for 5K you can buy a liberty or g-force five speed and never have to worry about breaking a trans again.

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t-56 feedback:

the LT1 trannies have an oddball midplate and clutch arrangement (IIRC it's a pull type vs. push type pressure plate) that may be difficult to adapt to mopars

and the F body trannies have a weak 27 spline output shaft. I have a friend with a '96 impala with a 396 CID LT1 stroker and T-56 who snapped the output shaft the first time he took it to the drag strip (with street tires). he upgraded it to a viper tailshaft (uses the same spline as a 727). eventually he picked up a chev SSR T-56 to eliminate the funky LT1 clutch, and for better overall gear ratio spread. IIRC, it uses a larger output shaft, similar to the viper's.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: mshred] #517407
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for 5K you can buy a liberty or g-force five speed and never have to worry about breaking a trans again.




What is your choice in O.D. gear in one of those?

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sorry man, but if im gonna pay 5k for a tranny id be alot more concerned with its strength then just for the fact that it has OD...mine as well just buy a gear vendors

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sorry man, but if im gonna pay 5k for a tranny id be alot more concerned with its strength then just for the fact that it has OD...mine as well just buy a gear vendors




I hear ya. I think that alot of people are looking for one trans to try and pull double duty as a race trans and be livable on the street/highway without maxing out the RPM.

But I agree that strength would be the main concern.

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Larry,
I really can't answer that question. I am not dodging it, but a 12 second street car is a hot 340 car now adays. So, I would have to say that we would be trying to cover both types of cars.

As for the 2.93 red stripe gears. SURE, we can cut them. The problem is that the gearsets will cost $10,000.00 a piece. We just don't get enough call to run gears like that. I would say that we may sell 10 gearsets a year in that configuration. We could not absorb that type of cost to return ratio. The tooling and setup are astronomical. I.E. That is why the "others" are made in Korea.

By the way, we are trying to keep cost well under $5000.00 on this unit.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517411
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Possible any currently made straight cut gears fit into existing 833 with little mods?
how many red stripe sets you sitting on, any 9310 clusters etc?

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Possible any currently made straight cut gears fit into existing 833 with little mods?
how many red stripe sets you sitting on, any 9310 clusters etc?




id be interested in this as well

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517413
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Jamie, I had been looking at your 4 speed hemi OD units till I heard about you developing a 5 speed. Now, for me, I have to convert from a 727, so my cost goes up even more. Are you guys going to offer a kit for conversion, or just the tranny itself? thanks for your time.

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I doubt he'd need to offer a kit to convert, there are a few decent ones already on the market not to mention good used sources (especially A-body pedals, repro floor humps, shifters, etc. are still pretty common & cheap).

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I don't have 100% confirmation on this but I think he may be doing conversions in his new expanded shop.As far as a conversion goes all you would need is everything in front of the tranny like the clutch ,flywheel,can,and pedals.Your crossmember and driveshaft would be the same and the tranny will come with the shifter as I understand.
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thanks guys. just looking to find all the stuff in one place thats all. If I have to piece it together than so be it.

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you can buy most if not all stock factory repopped linkage and hump from brewers,,,but if you have big tube or custom headers ,you may consider going hyd clutch of some sort,,either a hyd bearing or slave cylinder,,i built my own system,works great


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fstfish66] #517418
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i built my own system,works great




How 'bout some detail and pics of what you did?


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ok,,1st of all..this site isnt pic friendly to older digital cameras,,if pics are bigger then 3 megapixels they dont post,,,i now have a camera with adjustable picture size,,but those ;ics are too big to post and there are a lot of them,,,ide gladly E MAIL you a few so you can get an idea of what i used,,,heres a little bit about what ive used and what i currently use,,

for about 10 years, i used a tilton hyd bearing,hard mounted in to the scatter shield, it didnt have enough travel to work properly,,as i learned,and it was a nascar bearing built for the GM stuff,,but had parts that were suppost to make it fit a mopar application,,as time went on,1st gear got harder and harder to get in to at stop,,,then it wasnt engauging enough and wore out the 4th gear syncro,,at the time i installed this unit,,between tilton and center force, i didnt get correct specs form either of the 2 companies,,so when it failed i investagated it again,,learing what i believed to be the correct specs,,and not enough travel of the bearing,,i could of shimmed it but it may not of wanted to return or relax enough to not wear the pressure plate fingers,,and by this time i didnt want to have to pull a tranny in a early A body again to service it,,so i went with a slave cylinder,,puller type from speed way motors,,i think the travel on the slave cylinder is 1 1/8, and i used a wilwood master designed for a hyd clutch,,it had the longest stroke and a 3/4 bore,,the master has to be installed 2 inches below the pedal pivot point to have corect travel,,on my A body, that is where the speedo cable went thru,,so i moved the cable and made that hole big enoiugh for the master,,,also made a plate inside to support the thin sheet metal of the fire wall,,a heim joint on the end of the push rod,and a bracket i made and welded it to the clutch pedal,to space it out to reach left of the pedal to the push rod,,,the slave cyl is currently mounted in the factory hole of the fork,,but i am going to dril a hole 1 inch in,to creat more fork travel,,and less pedal travel,,but my pedal have a lot of play,i will address that before moving the slave attaching point,,,i can supply a ton of pics if you e mail me your e mail if your intrested,,,slave cyl 45 bucks,,master 49 bucks i believe,, fstfish66@aol.com


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fstfish66] #517420
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these guys supply a hydraulic clutch master cylinder & linkage kit.
I've just ordered one (it's impossible to order from Keisler or those that offer "complete kits" - my experience was unless you're ordering the whole system you are priority No. 62,342).

http://www.hotrodhydraulics.com/Mopar-Product.htm#HYDRAMAX™ Master Cylinder Kit


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Listen up men::After recently having to pull my ol'833 three times because of seal failing in my brand new hydrolic t.o. bearing from this new 5 speed supplier I would really think twice about rushing out because of a price tag!!!! welcome to the world of human guinni pigs--Any wait on Jamie's 5 speed is well worth it--All you have to do is meet Jaime in person (as i did last year at nats) and you find out he is a genuine trany guru and will stand behind any product he sells--His knowledge is spot on and I'm sure he would not put his name on anything unless it was top notch.Cost more yes of coarse it will, but in this day someone who is investing his time and money to release a AMERICAN MADE ITEM should be applauded for his efforts.GO JAMIE GO --Steve


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these guys supply a hydraulic clutch master cylinder & linkage kit.
I've just ordered one (it's impossible to order from Keisler or those that offer "complete kits" - my experience was unless you're ordering the whole system you are priority No. 62,342).

http://www.hotrodhydraulics.com/Mopar-Product.htm#HYDRAMAX™ Master Cylinder Kit




yikes,, so sad,,but so true,,,was funny reading,,


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Listen up men::After recently having to pull my ol'833 three times because of seal failing in my brand new hydrolic t.o. bearing from this new 5 speed supplier I would really think twice about rushing out because of a price tag!!!! welcome to the world of human guinni pigs--Any wait on Jamie's 5 speed is well worth it--All you have to do is meet Jaime in person (as i did last year at nats) and you find out he is a genuine trany guru and will stand behind any product he sells--His knowledge is spot on and I'm sure he would not put his name on anything unless it was top notch.Cost more yes of coarse it will, but in this day someone who is investing his time and money to release a AMERICAN MADE ITEM should be applauded for his efforts.GO JAMIE GO --Steve





this is why i went back to a standard throw out bearing,and fork,,using a hyd slave cylinder,,


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these guys supply a hydraulic clutch master cylinder & linkage kit.
I've just ordered one (it's impossible to order from Keisler or those that offer "complete kits" - my experience was unless you're ordering the whole system you are priority No. 62,342).






We have no problem selling the master assembly I don't offer a A833 throw out bearing.


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517425
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The McLeod unit is still up in the air by the sounds ov things. But the price is at least decent. And really, i could give a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] where it was made as long as the quality is there. China doesn't necessarily mean junk, just like homebuilt doesn't necessarily mean quality.

The Passon 5spd again, outta my budget, no matter how good it is. And personally, not a fan ov the 4spd OD idea, drove one (a stock truck unit in a 340 Demon), and just did NOT like the gear spread. I wouldn't even want that in a 440 car where the torque could mitigate the disadvantage.








See, this is where you are wrong. Our 4 spd OD gearset isn't even close to the gearset in the truck trans that you drove in the Demon. I don't feel that you are giving that option a fair shake.

As for the imported thing, that is entirely your call. The unit is actually made in Korea, not China. If it doesn't matter to you that it is imported, that is fine, it sounds like it should fit what you need and it will fit into your budget. What kind of horsepower did you have?
Thanks,
Jamie


We are looking at less then 5 grand for this unit.

*fixed your quote for you Jamie




Whoa, maybe i should check back more than once a month here... heh heh...

My bad, i didn't know the one you offer wasn't a superwide spread like the truck unit. Thing is, i liked that 1st gear, especially since both my temp engine for this project and the final engine will be high-RPM, lower torque engines (thinking 383-426 N/A lowdecks, both). I liked the steep 1st, i just didn't like the spread. The owner didn't seem to mind, nor did the guy who installed it, but that would bug the hell outta me... like shifting from 1st to 3rd in a race... ugh.

Your 4speed has a nicer spread, but its still a bit wide for my taste. Its great that others like it, its just not for me. I like that 1:1 4th. I really just want 5-6 gears in my box. Maybe if i could actually drive one i might like it? i could be that far off base...???

Even the 5-speed would get old for me i think. The engine i build will want at least a 4.56 gear, but i want a 2.76 for the road. I know... i really dont want much... haha. Really, i want a 6-speed. I'd go with a 5, but after spending all the money it will take go buy any one ov these kits, i'll still be thinking ov that 6th gear, the one that turns my 4.56's (or more) into a real highway gear.

Really, it just kinda bugs me that with all these cheap (say, Cobra-spec... which are plenty strong) T-56's out there i still cant easily bolt one up to my big block.


Oh, and not sure which engine you are asking about, but the 'temp' one going in my car will be around 400-450HP, maybe a bit more depending on if i can find some cheap aluminum to cover the bores. That 340 in the Demon was pretty hot, probably a bit under 400?

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: JamiePasson] #517426
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I was not going to say anything just yet, BUT I feel that in light of the recent buzz about the McLeod trans, I guess it won’t hurt.

For a couple years now, we have been working on a NEW 5 Speed trans for Chrysler cars. We were not aware that McLeod was also doing it.

This is a clean sheet project. In other words, we are building this from the ground up. Due to our extensive experience with the cars that it must fit into, our individual designs that we will be offering will make installation easy. In fact, we feel that it will be something that the average guy can put in their car in just a few hours.

This unit will be a BOLT IN!!!!!!! No monkey business with driveline angles, notching torsion bar crossmembers, redrilling bellhouisngs, changing clutches. You will retain your ORIGINAL shifter handle in the ORIGINAL location. The unit will look like it came from the factory in the car. It will be a HURST style shifter arrangement with external linkage, just like the design of shifter that these great cars left the factory with.

There will be an A Body trans
There will be a B Body trans (‘63- ‘69)
There will be a'70 - UP B/E Body trans.

You will use your ORIGINAL driveshaft and yoke
You will use your ORIGINAL transmission crossmember and trans mount
You will use your ORIGINAL bellhousing
You will use your ORIGINAL flywheel,
You will use your ORIGINAL clutch and throwout bearing (18 spline only)

The unit WILL fit under the floor pan with no modifications.

Due to the simplicity here, it WILL be as easy as changing the trans. Truly an afternoon job.

As for cost… I can tell you this, it will not be $2300.00, HOWEVER, I feel that the price will be fair considering that the unit is MADE for the car. Versus taking an existing trans and trying to shoehorn it in and not cut the car as other manufacturers have tried in the past.

To accomplish the project, we have drawn on the years of gear cutting experience from our partner GFI. This is the organization that we have been working with our very successful Hemi OD project. They have a brand new CNC gear cutting facility that WE will be manufacturing the units.in.

And now for the BEST part…….

IT IS MANUFACTURED IN THE USA!

There will be more to come….




I may be one of the first in line for your E body version. Since I put 4.10 gears in my T/A I no longer enjoy driving it around town. However, I don't want to give up the additional torque multiplication and I don't want to cut my car up. I would like to see a .75 overdrive and a 2.90 first gear. This would be perfect for me.

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Pale_Roader] #517427
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wondering if the MC,Leod unit or people will be at chryslers at carlisle,, to show or talk about the tranny,,,,ide like to see it up close,,,


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1940 dodge coupe 241 hemi street rod
2014 ram express hemi 4x4 dailey driver
2015 cherokee
2013 R/T classic
Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fstfish66] #517428
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wondering if the MC,Leod unit or people will be at chryslers at carlisle,, to show or talk about the tranny,,,,ide like to see it up close,,,



me too....


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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Old School] #517429
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wondering if the MC,Leod unit or people will be at chryslers at carlisle,, to show or talk about the tranny,,,,ide like to see it up close,,,



me too....




ANY ONE HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER??? from what i have read here MC,LEOD is not part of B&M any longer??? how do we get a hold of red roberts???
ill call and see whats the scoop...


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1940 dodge coupe 241 hemi street rod
2014 ram express hemi 4x4 dailey driver
2015 cherokee
2013 R/T classic
Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fstfish66] #517430
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Bzzzz] #517431
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Read over on the McLeod site that they've delayed release until late summer at earliest due to final details on gear set manufacturing.

Anyone heard from Jamie how the R&D on his new 5 speed is progressing?


Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: amchale] #517432
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last I heard there were some case issues
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5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fourgearsavoy] #517433
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Anybody talk to Passon at Carlisle,any new information on his 5spd?

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: fourgearsavoy] #517434
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Damn! It was too good to be true.

Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Bladeruner69] #517435
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Damn! It was too good to be true.



There is a discussion going on over at the Q&A board about Jamie's new 5 speed.He answers some key questions about the new box
Gus


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493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow
5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box
Dana 60
Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!! [Re: Bladeruner69] #517436
09/28/10 11:43 PM
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Damn! It was too good to be true.




OK,,WHAT DID I MISS?? WHAT WAS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE ??? MC.leod box not comming to life???


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1940 dodge coupe 241 hemi street rod
2014 ram express hemi 4x4 dailey driver
2015 cherokee
2013 R/T classic
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