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69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? #446362
08/22/09 05:34 PM
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I am looking for a fan and shroud combo for this 69 RR. The radiator is a custom Afco. Their fan and shroud is too wide for this car. I have 3.25" from water pump pulley to radiator.
What fan and shroud can anyone suggest for this application?
Thanks,
Mark


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Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #446363
08/23/09 11:39 AM
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Anyone else with tight fan clearence?
Will a short clutch fan fit?


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1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #446364
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Anyone else with tight fan clearence?
Will a short clutch fan fit?




The problem with the aluminum rads is that they are thicker than the brass ones. I used a mancini rad that looks very similar too yours. I bought their shroud but it needed rework. I used their 22" rad as at the time I didn't know about the aftermarket yokes you can buy. It still cools fine.

I used a 6 blade fan on a jaguar clutch (it's the only one that would fit), however, it did not cool very good at idle. I replaced it with a 6 blade solid fan with a 1"spacer which cools well at idle.

Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: torkrules] #446365
08/23/09 08:14 PM
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Anyone else with tight fan clearence?
Will a short clutch fan fit?




The problem with the aluminum rads is that they are thicker than the brass ones. I used a mancini rad that looks very similar too yours. I bought their shroud but it needed rework. I used their 22" rad as at the time I didn't know about the aftermarket yokes you can buy. It still cools fine.

I used a 6 blade fan on a jaguar clutch (it's the only one that would fit), however, it did not cool very good at idle. I replaced it with a 6 blade solid fan with a 1"spacer which cools well at idle.




Did you use a Mopar solid fan or aftermarket? The owner of the car will probably idle around cruise night as much as anything, so I guess from what you are saying the Jag clutch is out?
BTW, this is a 26" 1 1/4" tube/ Do you think that there would still be a problem with a clutch fan?
Also this is a mild 472 with AC.

Thanks,
Mark


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1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #446366
08/23/09 10:42 PM
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Anyone else with tight fan clearence?
Will a short clutch fan fit?




The problem with the aluminum rads is that they are thicker than the brass ones. I used a mancini rad that looks very similar too yours. I bought their shroud but it needed rework. I used their 22" rad as at the time I didn't know about the aftermarket yokes you can buy. It still cools fine.

I used a 6 blade fan on a jaguar clutch (it's the only one that would fit), however, it did not cool very good at idle. I replaced it with a 6 blade solid fan with a 1"spacer which cools well at idle.




Did you use a Mopar solid fan or aftermarket? The owner of the car will probably idle around cruise night as much as anything, so I guess from what you are saying the Jag clutch is out?
BTW, this is a 26" 1 1/4" tube/ Do you think that there would still be a problem with a clutch fan?
Also this is a mild 472 with AC.

Thanks,
Mark



Mark:

I used a 15" solid steel Flexolite fan. Try to use a 17" if you can. Mines a 472 as well with aluminum heads and 10:1 compression. On a really hot, humid day, I can idle for about 10 minutes before the temp gets up to about 195. I have a 180 stat in mine. I found that the clutch fan didn't turn fast enough to pull enough air through it. It would constantly heat up to 195 during a stop light. As soon as I start moving it drops to 175-180.

Air conditioning might aggravate the heating a bit, but the 26 rad should help.

The pump is also sometimes overlooked. An air conditioning style pump needs to turn faster to maintain flow at idle. Under driven pulleys and air conditioning fans might cause some grief. I used an Edelbrock pump and regular size pulleys. Don't use the small pump pulley with the regular pump as it might cavitate at high speeds.

Make sure the mixture is not too lean and the timing is correct (12-18 initial and 32-35 total). On the street, a slower curve will help keep it out of detonation (although responsiveness might suffer a little) unless you have some good fuel available.

By the way, that's a nice rad!

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Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: torkrules] #446367
08/23/09 11:31 PM
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I used a 15" solid steel Flexolite fan. Try to use a 17" if you can. Mines a 472 as well with aluminum heads and 10:1 compression. On a really hot, humid day, I can idle for about 10 minutes before the temp gets up to about 195. I have a 180 stat in mine. I found that the clutch fan didn't turn fast enough to pull enough air through it. It would constantly heat up to 195 during a stop light. As soon as I start moving it drops to 175-180.

Air conditioning might aggravate the heating a bit, but the 26 rad should help.

The pump is also sometimes overlooked. An air conditioning style pump needs to turn faster to maintain flow at idle. Under driven pulleys and air conditioning fans might cause some grief. I used an Edelbrock pump and regular size pulleys. Don't use the small pump pulley with the regular pump as it might cavitate at high speeds.

Make sure the mixture is not too lean and the timing is correct (12-18 initial and 32-35 total). On the street, a slower curve will help keep it out of detonation (although responsiveness might suffer a little) unless you have some good fuel available.

By the way, that's a nice rad!




John,
I appreciate the details very much. This engine 9.2 or so alum. head, and I cammed it a very mild hydraulic for this application. The water pump is a 440 Source and the pulleys are for AC from Bouchillon.
The radiator is a custom built from Afco and I am going try and get a shroud from them . Their fan and shroud combo was to wide and will not fit.
The carbs showed rich on the dyno and that was without an air filter, so if anything I may have to lean it down a bit.
We set the total at 34* for the pulls. The curve is stock and I will have to check the intial when I get it running.
I will ask if the 17" will fit their shroud.
Thanks for your help.
Mark


http://marsh-racing.com/Mark%20Mahorney-Allstate.htm
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
Re: 69 RR w/Hemi what fan & shroud for alum rad. ? [Re: Hemi Allstate] #446368
08/24/09 12:20 PM
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I used a 15" solid steel Flexolite fan. Try to use a 17" if you can. Mines a 472 as well with aluminum heads and 10:1 compression. On a really hot, humid day, I can idle for about 10 minutes before the temp gets up to about 195. I have a 180 stat in mine. I found that the clutch fan didn't turn fast enough to pull enough air through it. It would constantly heat up to 195 during a stop light. As soon as I start moving it drops to 175-180.

Air conditioning might aggravate the heating a bit, but the 26 rad should help.

The pump is also sometimes overlooked. An air conditioning style pump needs to turn faster to maintain flow at idle. Under driven pulleys and air conditioning fans might cause some grief. I used an Edelbrock pump and regular size pulleys. Don't use the small pump pulley with the regular pump as it might cavitate at high speeds.

Make sure the mixture is not too lean and the timing is correct (12-18 initial and 32-35 total). On the street, a slower curve will help keep it out of detonation (although responsiveness might suffer a little) unless you have some good fuel available.

By the way, that's a nice rad!




John,
I appreciate the details very much. This engine 9.2 or so alum. head, and I cammed it a very mild hydraulic for this application. The water pump is a 440 Source and the pulleys are for AC from Bouchillon.
The radiator is a custom built from Afco and I am going try and get a shroud from them . Their fan and shroud combo was to wide and will not fit.
The carbs showed rich on the dyno and that was without an air filter, so if anything I may have to lean it down a bit.
We set the total at 34* for the pulls. The curve is stock and I will have to check the intial when I get it running.
I will ask if the 17" will fit their shroud.
Thanks for your help.
Mark




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