oil pressure in a 440
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ok lets see if someone smarter than me can help with this, the engine is a 73 440 cast crank, rebuilt previously 30 over flat tops 0 deck 452 heads roller rockers basically a little better than a stock hp engine...the rest is unknown. I got it from a friend, I regasketted it and a couple caps to theck bearings, hipo pan and windage tray installed:
the isue I have is occasionally if i stop hard the oil light will come on for a few seconds, when hot. I also get a what sounds like a lifter tick occasionally but will go away, like im losing oil pressure. I bust out the snap on mechanical oil pressure gauge and throw it on there.
the cars got 15 40 rotella t in it with a wix filter. cold i have about 70 psi pressure, but the needle on the gauge flutters (this is a new unit, never used so the gauge might flutter) hot ive got 40-50 psi... these are numbers at idle. my question is whats causing the tick and winky light? at 40 psi i would think the light should come on as thats a 3-5 psi switch iirc. today im changing the oil filter and oil, was wondering if a sticky bypass in the pump would cause this or is the engine short for this world? any ideas?
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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its a baffled pan, it will tick under cruise, its also a recent development, didnt do it last year or earlier this year, and yes there is oil in it...that was the first thing i checked
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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Well the tick and the winking light are two indicators of very low pressure so I don't think I'd trust your gauge if it reads 40# at the same time. Has the bottom of the pan been scraped on anything lately that may have bent it against the pick up? I think you're on the right track, you could remove the plug on the oil pump where the bypass valve is and check that out, probably wouldn't hurt to just remove the whole pump and check it out.
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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im kinda feeling the pumps bypassing, it will come on usually after a long cruise when its hot, im going to see if i can drive it with the gauge hooked up and watch it... after i change the oil...
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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Since the problem is recent I would suspect a faulty pump or a blockage in the pick-up,smashed pan? 1st I would just change the pump,then if still occurs would check pick-up in pan, then lifters,more than likely a new pump will eliminate most of the problem,ran into this a couple times with 440's and a 318 or two,very frustrating,but pumps are cheap,while its apart check oil pump drive gear for wear or breakage and replace if necessary. with the pump off you could blow thru pick up to remove any obstruction, remove oil plug in pan and force with air some kerosene/diesal/solvant down pick up tube to help remove derbis or build up on/in pick up, just make sure to drain it all very well before you add new oil, I have done all this in the past with no problems,as a last resort you could drop the pan and inspect...
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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im gonna drop the oil and see what it looks like, then start over, im glad big blocks have external pumps, so if it needs to come off its not a huge deal, just not into it...its sunny and id rather drive the vert than work on it!
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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By chance is the pump a HV???
If you are thinking that it will pump out the pan - it ain't gonna happen and especially at the type of drive OP said it is doing it in.
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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it is a hv pump...its a 6 quart pan...its hiot enough out time to change the oil and see if anything changes...right after a samich!
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05 ram 2500 ctd 74 gremlin x 360 65 mustang 347 70 coronet R/T 440 03 Mach 1
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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08/22/09 03:40 PM
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By chance is the pump a HV???
If you are thinking that it will pump out the pan - it ain't gonna happen and especially at the type of drive OP said it is doing it in.
Good point in that its occuring under heavy braking which of course is low RPM. But an HV pump CAN contribute to oil starvation when other factors are right (low oil pan capacity, poor drainback, excess windage) I have had it happen. It ain't HELPING the issue thats for sure. Unless absolutely necessary (bearing clearance) I would remove it. Period. I would also address the other factors.
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Re: oil pressure in a 440
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This is in a baffled pan so very unlikely even in braking. Only time that I have seen a HV pump a pan out and it really didn't is in a dirt car wiothout the proper pick up so that the oil was pulled away from the sump from inertia of the turns on the oval. would have happened with any pump. I know that there are many here that 'think' that a HV pump can pump out a pan but it is very unlikely and will have other contributing causes like blocked or in some way restricted oil return - not the pump over pumping. If you thinkk it does that is up to you .
I know it is. I have had it happen in a street 440. Yes I stated other factors (did you even read my post?). In my case I had loose bearings, an HV pump, baffled low capaciity pan, no windage tray, and light oil. If the pan wasn't kept at 1 guart overfill the pan would go dry (under acceleration). Just becuase something hasn't happened to you doen't make it impossible.
The HV pump IS contributing to his situation--it HAS to. How MUCH is debatable--not IF. Its job is to pump a higher volume of oil UP into the engine--that means LESS in the pan. They are postive displacement pumps--its what they do!
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