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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432406
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Yes, it is pretty close to the wiper motor. I think we did have to pull a couple of plug wires to take the cap off. I didn't mind though, the tuning process is still dramatically faster than with an old school distributor. Just pull the cap and dial up a different advance curve. We tried several different advance curves in Tim's car before we hit on one that really worked.




I wish I would have asked more specifically to the previous post. That made my buying decision.

Is there some reason this distributor is 1" taller than their other billet MSD's?? A good reason would make me feel better.

Of course now I find this post on their site:
http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12848

This was the MSD tech's response...
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1)on the height issue, unfortunately the distributor is 8 3/8 tall. which if you do a search or look in a catalog it will list all the specs.

and check that isse of the clearance issue with the firewall and throttle first.




It's $377 distributor. That's $170 extra (almost double) over thier non E-curve model that is shorter and has good access for adjustment!!

It wouldn't bother me if this was just one of thier regular pro billet distributors. But THE KEY feature of the E-curve they brag about is quick and easy adjustment. And the fact that at least 1/2 of the potential market is effected by this design issue.

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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432407
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Dang that's serious $ for a distributor Steve. Any chance you can send back?
Yes. Its all about time vs. money. I got to a point where I could remove the distributor, tweek the springs, reinstall and test the curve pretty darn quick. Probably down to 30 - 45 minutes each go around. That's with a Mallory built dizzy. I'm still not that fast with the little clip inside the Chrysler units.

Hey hows the engine install into the car with the oil pan on?

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: Mattax] #432408
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Dang that's serious $ for a distributor ...




Agreed. I'd rather set up 4 or 5 stock distributors with different specs and just swap them out. That's partly because I have a pile of them though.

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on the weight of the tti headers...
tti has some seriously thick tube wall..
doubt theyll be rusting through anytime soon.
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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432410
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The engine builder has the 427 back together and we're ready to get it back on the dyno. He had to spend a fair amount of time getting the windage tray to both clear the big stroke and the road race pan. It all fits but it has to be tucked in there just right.

We'll focus mostly on some step testing and steady state runs. Maybe do a power pull or two just to see what she makes. I'd be surprised if the new oil pan changes the power output but it is possible. Mostly we're just making sure there aren't any leaks or other problems before the engine goes back in the car.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432411
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The engine builder has the 427 back together and we're ready to get it back on the dyno. He had to spend a fair amount of time getting the windage tray to both clear the big stroke and the road race pan. It all fits but it has to be tucked in there just right.

We'll focus mostly on some step testing and steady state runs. Maybe do a power pull or two just to see what she makes. I'd be surprised if the new oil pan changes the power output but it is possible. Mostly we're just making sure there aren't any leaks or other problems before the engine goes back in the car.




What brand main studs did you use? We had to cut them down flush for the 4.0 stroke crank. We also dimpled the shallow cutout of the pan. And we didn't use the pickup tube to cap support strap.




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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432412
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I used ARP main studs. The ARP studs have a hex broached in the end so they are a little nicer to work with. We had to notch the pan for the windage tray nuts so it took some effort to get everything to fit.

It ran nice on the dyno today. No leaks anywhere after plenty of stress testing, valve lash looked good, cranking compression is identical in all 8 holes, plugs look good. So she should be ready to drop back in the car so Tim can take it to the track this summer.

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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432413
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I used ARP main studs. The ARP studs have a hex broached in the end so they are a little nicer to work with. We had to notch the pan for the windage tray nuts so it took some effort to get everything to fit.




Were did you notch? The same two I dimpled? Pics?

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It ran nice on the dyno today. No leaks anywhere after plenty of stress testing, valve lash looked good, cranking compression is identical in all 8 holes, plugs look good. So she should be ready to drop back in the car so Tim can take it to the track this summer.




Did you do something different to it since the last dyno test you did to it?

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432414
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I didn't take any pics of the windage tray mods. The engine builder did the work and he had it all together before I showed up with the camera.

Main change since last time on the dyno was the oil pan. Also changed the valve covers in an attempt to stop the various oil leaks. Ran a belt driven water pump this time so we chould check for leaks but it didn't seem to cost any power. Engine still made almost identical power to a year ago even though the dyno cell had seen a number of changes. Power curve is very similiar to a Viper, 520/520.

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I didn't take any pics of the windage tray mods. The engine builder did the work and he had it all together before I showed up with the camera.

Main change since last time on the dyno was the oil pan. Also changed the valve covers in an attempt to stop the various oil leaks. Ran a belt driven water pump this time so we chould check for leaks but it didn't seem to cost any power. Engine still made almost identical power to a year ago even though the dyno cell had seen a number of changes. Power curve is very similiar to a Viper, 520/520.




Oh, you meant notch the windage tray. I thought you meant notch the oil pan.

Was this at the pick up tube to windage tray area? We did that too.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432416
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Great read a keeper for sure, thanks!

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432417
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The top of the oil baffles in the pan had to be notched to clear the windage tray studs. The oil pickup tab had to be cut off and relocated. The windage tray had to be cut down in the front and re-welded, cut down in the back, and cut on the sides to clear the main caps. All in all it took about 10 hours of work to get the windage tray, pickup and oil pan to fit this engine.

It all seemed to work just fine on the dyno. Next step is to see how it works in the car.

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June issue of Mopar Muscle has a follow up feature on this engine as well as a few pics of the car.

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June issue of Mopar Muscle has a follow up feature on this engine as well as a few pics of the car.




Awesome!!

I just took my 416 on it's maiden voyage last night. Gobs of torque. Glad I took Tim Werner's advice and went single plane for this kind of application. I think I'm going to have to be careful getting on the throttle on corner exits.

What is your feeling on running a PCV for this? I've heard it could be beneficial when getting off the throttle and on the brakes hard??

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I wouldn't bother with a PCV on a track car. Hook it up while street driving just to keep the crud from building up in the engine, but I'd take it off at the track.

Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: autoxcuda] #432421
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Someone sent me this scan of the magazine article. I haven't talked to Tim yet, not sure if he'll like it or not!

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Re: SB stroker options for track car [Re: AndyF] #432422
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Why not like it? Who wrote the article? If it was you I think we can assume it's good, if it's regular MM staff...not so much.
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He might not think the picture is very flattering! We were both a little tired and dirty when I snapped the photo.

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He might not think the picture is very flattering! We were both a little tired and dirty when I snapped the photo.




I've never worked on a car with a white shirt and light colored pants. Looks pretty clean and spotless to me.

...Put about 150 miles on my new stroker SB since Friday night driving around L.A.. These things are awesome!! Time to change oil, bump timing, and get it out on the track April 14th at Willow Springs!

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He might not think the picture is very flattering! We were both a little tired and dirty when I snapped the photo.




I've never worked on a car with a white shirt and light colored pants. Looks pretty clean and spotless to me.





he's way too clean for it not to be staged


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