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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: flatiron]
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06/11/09 09:34 AM
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OK looking at the 440 source website and I see a #402 or a deep sump pan #121-1030 which one would be a good choice or should I look at a different manufacture? I'm a little worried about clearence on the street with a deep sump.
What is your EXACT engine/car combo? OEM engine mounts ? .... this will determine what pan you will need.
A deep sump ...on the street ...R U worried about crashing the sump? ..... a skid-plate on the Kmember is in order.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: kwikblownhemi]
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06/11/09 10:45 AM
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Even with only three quarts actually in the sump, it should be impossible for your car to uncover the pickup on initial launch -if everything is as it should be.
An improperly located pickup or even the slightest crack in the tube could cause an instant loss of pressure.
Huh ? .... hot oil in-the-sump is almost like water ! and if you launch the car with an oil-pan that has no baffling with THREE QUARTS of oil in-the-sump you WILL have oil pressure issues.
A crack in the pickup tube ....will affect ONLY during a launch ? ..... Huh ?? It will suck-air(depending on where the crack is) and effect oil-pressure all-the-time !
And to all that think baffling is not important ... LOOK at what the OEM put on any HP car. Most had front and rear baffling.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
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06/11/09 11:13 AM
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Even with only three quarts actually in the sump, it should be impossible for your car to uncover the pickup on initial launch -if everything is as it should be.
An improperly located pickup or even the slightest crack in the tube could cause an instant loss of pressure.
Huh ? .... hot oil in-the-sump is almost like water ! and if you launch the car with an oil-pan that has no baffling with THREE QUARTS of oil in-the-sump you WILL have oil pressure issues.
A crack in the pickup tube ....will affect ONLY during a launch ? ..... Huh ?? It will suck-air(depending on where the crack is) and effect oil-pressure all-the-time !
And to all that think baffling is not important ... LOOK at what the OEM put on any HP car. Most had front and rear baffling.
"Depending on where the crack is"
You said it.
No one said baffling isn't important.
Good luck with your problem, flatiron.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: kwikblownhemi]
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06/11/09 11:25 AM
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"Depending on where the crack is"
You said it.
And you left-out .... it will affect OP all the time.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: flatiron]
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06/11/09 11:27 AM
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Hey Doc
Look at 440's website the pan I'm looking at is Part#121-1030 with pick up part# 1271-017. I have to wait till later to call them but it seems like a direct bolt up.
LOOKS good to me.
But I would like to see the baffling and how well it is sealed to the side of the pan.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: flatiron]
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06/11/09 11:45 AM
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Man I have to get to bed gotta get up at 2:30 for my kids. Mopars and 3rd shift don't mix. Think I might go the whole route windage tray, pick-up and deep pan
Good choices ... but DON'T forget that skid-plate !
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
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06/11/09 11:49 AM
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And you left-out .... it will affect OP all the time.
I left out nothing. A crack that is submerged most of the time would only affect oil pressure when/if it is uncovered. But you know that.
Just so you understand my take on Flat's problem:
I frequently deal with people who have thrown money at their problems until in frustration they have someone look for the cause. For all we know, Flat's pickup may be 1" off the bottom of the pan. A new, baffled pan and accompanying pickup that ends up where it belongs would fix his problem, no doubt. Hence my previous statement, "If everything is as it should be."
It is easy to get on an Internet forum and spend someone else's money. I prefer to know what is causing a problem before spending my customer's money to solve it. That's all.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
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06/11/09 11:58 AM
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...and where do most cracks happen ? ... from what I have heard and seen ... up where it is screws into the block. Now for that area to be submerged in oil .....  .. there would have to be well MORE than 3 quarts of oil in-the-sump.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
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06/11/09 12:11 PM
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...and where do most cracks happen ? ... from what I have heard and seen ... up where it is screws into the block.
Now for that area to be submerged in oil ..... .. there would have to be well MORE than 3 quarts of oil in-the-sump.
It is apparent that having the last word is critical. And you shall. Goodbye.
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: flatiron]
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06/11/09 06:53 PM
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Ok fella's I greatly appreciate everyone's input and it does seem like I toss money I don't need to nor have to toss around. So I'm gonna back up a few steps. Slow down and trouble shoot this drain my oil, Measure it heck with the dipstick add a quart for one run and see what that does. I have to ask a question that might seem dumb to some and remember I'm new to this. Looking at a picture of a pick up it is threaded so if it's tight how could it be out of location? Now I need a promise from my Mopar buddies on here No answer's for about a hour I really got to get to bed and I can't get away from this computer. DARN 2.5 HRS TO SLEEP NO WONDER I LOOK LIKE CRAP. Goodnight
Any answer on my pickup question?
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Re: Losing Oil Pressure upon luanch
[Re: flatiron]
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06/11/09 07:11 PM
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Ok fella's I greatly appreciate everyone's input and it does seem like I toss money I don't need to nor have to toss around. So I'm gonna back up a few steps. Slow down and trouble shoot this drain my oil, Measure it heck with the dipstick add a quart for one run and see what that does. I have to ask a question that might seem dumb to some and remember I'm new to this. Looking at a picture of a pick up it is threaded so if it's tight how could it be out of location? Now I need a promise from my Mopar buddies on here No answer's for about a hour I really got to get to bed and I can't get away from this computer. DARN 2.5 HRS TO SLEEP NO WONDER I LOOK LIKE CRAP. Goodnight
Any answer on my pickup question?
It can be tight and be crooked it needs to be parallel to the bottom of the pan/block. I had this same problem with my 64 Dodge when I first started racing,it 60ftd in the low 1.60's and it would lose oil pressure and swing right back-up..It was an old gauge I changed it with a better liquid filled gauge and the same thing. kinda what I thought but wanted to make sure anyway. So off came the pan and welded in some baffles and it NEVER did it again...I think it's the pan buy one and never look back. Also if you don't have a windage tray get one and put it in while the pan is off.... 
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