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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33799
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Apparently it has nothing to do with any options. It's just to make sure the dealer goes thru the correct paper work for selling the A12 special package.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33800
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John,

This Y21 thing has come up in the past. I cannot find the thread on it, must have been more than a year ago.

I don't recall it being decided back then either. I think the thread got nasty and was dismissed.

Interesting seeing the Y21 in writiing and saying "HEADERS". Kinda sounds like the car came with headers instead of factory exhaust manifolds.

MikeE


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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33801
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I was thinking the Y21 was on the tag of the Don Grotheer car.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: Dave Watt] #33802
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Thats a good one Y21

I am guessing that it isn't factory installed headers and or headers in the trunk ala '69 Z/28's but rather some sort of special intructions or stickers that needed to be applied to the car.

The series of Y options were used my Chrysler as codes for sold codes, just as the M series was used for mouldings.

I am guessing if Mopar offered headers from the factory it would have been another A series of options or maybe a N series along with dual exhuast and chrome tips.

Also notice there was no extra charge assigned...I don't think they would go to the extra trouble of installing custom exhuast on the assembly line and not make some extra $$$ for it.

I think headers were available at the dealership level. As part of the Scat pack or Hustle Stuff program. These would not show up on the window sticker, but rather the selling dealer generated invoice.

Also note that car was delivered without any fuel? Are those two codes related?

[sarcasm] did it come with one of those 100 mpg special carbs that the oil companies efffectly took out of the marketplace[/sarcasm]

Thanks for posting the window sticker!

Where's Mike R when you need him

Dave

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: 69_SIX_PACK] #33803
01/02/07 11:16 AM
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don't know what y21 means,but y22 for years 69-71 means,corporate lease car- executive.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33804
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Aren't you curious about what is Y21? Someone on this forum ought to know? Dave? Is that the special limited warranty instructions or does it have anything to do with headers instead of exhaust manifolds? I have not seen it on a window sticker before and there is no Y21 blank on a broadcast sheet?




Could the Y21 have showed up on the Broadcast sheet in the LEASE/SALES column were there are no predefined digits?

Just comparing Gary's and Rick's stickers. 2 items stick out as maybe pertaining to the Y21.

1. Was it common that the sold to and ship to dealerships were different?

2.The "Charlotte Drive A Way" (with No gas ) under the destination charge?

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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33805
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We may have previously discussed that Y21 was for conforming with the "Moroney Price Label" (Federal) consumer protection law that made sure there were no hidden or missing items and clearly spelled out what the customer was paying for and getting. I think there was special documentation requirements and the fender tag needed to say it was originally a 383 engine with the A12 special V-8 conversion. There was a cover letter to all of the A12 package documentation that specifically stated that this Special Sales Order needed to have specific documentation and the Moroney Price Label (aka window sticker) had to have certain info on it and that the Moroney Price Label info had to be reported to Car Division Service Department and a special warranty book would be provided by the factory.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33806
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I found this on cardomain.com Seems that the Y21 code is a valid code.

Y14 Sold Car Order

Y15 Direct Sale

Y16 Sales Bank Order

Y17 Corporate Lease Car System

Y21 Special Headers & Tag Instructions

Y22 Corporate Lease Car - Executive

Y23 California Package Edit Waiver

Y24 C.L.C. Lease Car - Direct Leasing

Y25 Special Driveaway


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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: A12bee] #33807
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Yes,

BUT what the H E Double Toothpicks does it mean?



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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33808
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Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave

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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: DodgeMaterial] #33809
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Quote:

Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave




Thanks, that was a great explanation!
Dave

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: 6packattack] #33810
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I miss my A12 car. I am keeping an eye out for another



look in the for sale area b-5!

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: DodgeMaterial] #2571281
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Originally Posted By DodgeMaterial
Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave



I know this is an OLD thread but I had to bump it back to the top to thank the poster of this information. I'm staring at an invoice for a 383 70 road runner and it has the y21 code. Most of my search results were very vague or implied the car had special order exhaust headers etc. But this car WAS a car billed to Chrysler corporation as a Kansas City "Field Car" and shipped to a KC area dealer for pickup so the y21 makes sense. Using the term "special headers" threw me for a loop on a regular ol' 383 car and apparently has confused many others who have this code on their paperwork as well. Poor choice of words through the musclecar era.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2571297
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Y21 refers to the 'Header' on paperwork like a window sticker, factory invoice to the dealership or MSO.

Shipped to a different address than the 'selling' agency is the most common from those I have seen so far.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2571309
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Makes perfect sense but this thread was the only place I found that didn't imply that the car came with special parts installed or in the trunk smile.

Barry I need to get back on my list of dealer paperwork I have access to and get it all to you for the registry. Haven't forgotten. This year was hectic

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2572906
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Over at the A12 Registry we would really appreciate anything Lynch Road you can share with us.

Data is knowledge and we appreciate you taking the time to sort through what you have.

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Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2596782
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The 'Special headers & Tag instructions' meant the headers at the top of the window sticker ( ship to & sold to addresses different) & that note with the name & the VIN for 'instructions'.

VIN engine code M, vs fender tag engine code E63

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