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Pertronix Billet disty install help. #330860
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Anyone installed one of these? There is not a marking for no. 1 cyl and the rotation is WAY off
from my stock one as far as the plug wires and vacuum pot are concerned??

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330861
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w timing marks on TDC (#1 compression) is the intermediate shaft slot pointing to the front pass intake bolt and does that then place the rotor tip forward & a bit to the pass side(w the vac can away from the pass firewall so it has room to be adjusted back or forth. This would be the factory position & keeps the plug wire routing consistant


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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: RapidRobert] #330862
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Robert,

I took the old one out after verifying it was at tdc on compression stroke. Rotor was pointing at no
one plug wire. Old disty has vac advance pot almost against firewall. When I put the new one in, they have the grind on the tang like 40 degrees or so off
from the stock one, and the pickup is on the other side of the unit (front instead of back) I have no idea how to figure out if this will fire on the compression stroke or if it's actually 180 off?

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330863
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When you install it just start the plug wires with #1 where the rotor is pointing and follow the firing order. The wies don't care where they are on the cap.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: stumpy] #330864
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I know you can change them around on the cap, but the pickup doesn't fire on the back side right?

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330865
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If it's 180 out just pull the distributor up a little and turn the rotor 180*. The thing will fire no matter where the pick up is located.

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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330866
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Put your timing marks to where you want your initial at & put the dist in & rotate it so the vac pot has some room to be moved either way AND that the reluctor is lined up w the magnet slit & is JUST starting to move away from it(no matter where on the clock that ends up being at). The dist terminal above the rotor will be where you would start w #1 plug wire. If you do not want to pull/reroute the plug wires at the dist then move the inter shaft/slot to position the rotor where the #1 wire is currently(or where you want it to be) and the factory(#1) position of forward & slightly to the pass side works good and as before that the reluctor is now lined up(plus a hair CW, this is a SB right) and the vac can has room to be moved.


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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: RapidRobert] #330867
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I understand. The problem is this billet disty is
like an HEI and there are not any marks on the reluctor, well, there is not a reluctor! It's a smooth tape that the hall effect sensor picks up.
I guess I will have to try to get it close and if it's not making a spark where is should try to pull it up and turn it 180. Oh the instructions included
are also for an HEI....

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330868
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: RapidRobert] #330869
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I should send you a picture, it's crazy. The instructions say to line up the gear tooth before
your drop it in the engine so the no 1 lines up.

Um yea mopar has no gear.

I have it running but it's jacked. Somehow I lost
2 InHg in the process so my poor 12 is now down to only 10 and I have to advance up to 30 before to
get a decent idle. The points replacement kit I had
from them indexed off the mopar rotor and would fire when it was 180 off the hall effect sensor.

Who knows where it's firing now.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330870
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I just put one(with the new ignitor III) in my 383 and it's at 28 intial just to idle. Runs great over 1500 RPM with great crisp throttle. BUT, it doesn't idle well and I can't get it to start unless I cross the solenoid on the firewall. It seems to drop voltage too much turning the key and I have the positive wire and coil on the hotter side of the resistor.
I also had to move the wires one to the(l-r can't member) to get the vac pot in a decent location.

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Quote:

The instructions say to line up the gear tooth before your drop it in the engine so the no 1 lines up.


that would mean(for a Mopar) to(timing marks set where you want them & inter slot positioned so rotor is under where you want the #1 wire to be & whats missing is the housing rotation needs to set for it to fire(like the reluctor just starting to move away on ours) with the vac can in the right area. Do they have a toll free #?


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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: BurntOrange] #330872
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I just put one(with the new ignitor III) in my 383 and it's at 28 intial just to idle. Runs great over 1500 RPM with great crisp throttle. BUT, it doesn't idle well and I can't get it to start unless I cross the solenoid on the firewall. It seems to drop voltage too much turning the key and I have the positive wire and coil on the hotter side of the resistor.
I also had to move the wires one to the(l-r can't member) to get the vac pot in a decent location.




Yep I'm there. I had to move the wire on the cap
3 poles to clear the firewall or other things.

I would find it nearly impossible for the gear to move up and rotate one tooth and drop back on the
cam when I changed the disty. I also had to mash
one wire because the cap is so tight to the wiper
motor on my dart.

I sound like I am only hittin on 7 or so. It's
weird. I am not sure how the sensor works to know
when it's on firing position or not, but that might explain why I lost 2 InHg. Here's there instructions for install and some pictures.

DISTRIBUTORINSTALLATION1.Remove the Flame-Thrower billet distributor cap.2.Install the distributor gasket over the gear, and up to the distributor collar.Use a small amount of gasket adhesive to help hold the gasket in place.3.Lubricate the distributor gear and distributor shaft with clean engine oil.4.Turn the shaft so that when the distributor is placed into the engine, the rotor position matches that of the original distributor.As the distributor drops down, the rotor will turn slightly as it engages with the camshaft gear.Adjust for this rotation by turning the rotor a few degrees prior to the gear engagement.Several attempts may be necessary to achieve the proper rotor position.The distributor collar should sit completely flat on the intake manifold or block.5.Place the distributor cap onto the housing.6.Turn the housing so that the terminal, that represents the first cylinder in the firing order, lines up with the rotor.7.Install the distributor hold down and tighten the hold down bolt slightly.Once the ignition timing is adjusted the hold down bolt should be tightened completely.

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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: RapidRobert] #330874
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I'm running the Pertronix stuff, but I don't know anything about small blocks. I guess I'm having a problem visualizing the issues. I dropped mine in, match marked where the rotor lines up with a fixed hard point, installed the cap, laced the wires per the firing order, turned the dizzy's No. 1 terminal to match the reference mark, and fine timed it when running.

Their tech support is pretty good though.

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I just put one(with the new ignitor III) in my 383 and it's at 28 intial just to idle. Runs great over 1500 RPM with great crisp throttle. BUT, it doesn't idle well and I can't get it to start unless I cross the solenoid on the firewall. It seems to drop voltage too much turning the key and I have the positive wire and coil on the hotter side of the resistor.
I also had to move the wires one to the(l-r can't member) to get the vac pot in a decent location.




You may need to have the voltage knocked back to 6v instead of a full 12v. The manual should give you min voltage requirements and you might have to do a loaded voltage test on the coil. I know there are specific coil voltage requirements for the different modules. I've got troubleshooting instructions for the Ignitor I and II only.

With all the Ignitor modules, leaving the key in the RUN position for more than 30 seconds burns up the module.

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I know when I installed the original points replacement Ignitor II they told me to bypass the
ballast resistor and run it with a full 12V.

The Ignitor I is different. That's the weird thing,
I was running an Ignitor II in an stock disty and
replaced it with a billet disty that also has
an Ignitor II in it. I expected it to run at least
the same with the adjustable advance features. I somehow lost a couple inches of mercury and it's
not running as well.

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Quote:

I know when I installed the original points replacement Ignitor II they told me to bypass the
ballast resistor and run it with a full 12V.

The Ignitor I is different. That's the weird thing,
I was running an Ignitor II in an stock disty and
replaced it with a billet disty that also has
an Ignitor II in it. I expected it to run at least
the same with the adjustable advance features. I somehow lost a couple inches of mercury and it's
not running as well.




There are numbers on the back of the Ignitor module. If you call tech tomorrow confirm those numbers are for your app. You can also look on their website, too. What's the rest of the combo?

I love the heck out of the limiters and spring set up. I find it real easy to work with. I've got a mech. dizzy, and I'm running 24* initial with silver springs and 12* limiters. Throttle response is pretty crisp.

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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: 64Post] #330878
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I'm running a holley 3310 with the acc pump tweaked
and have it jetted and spring'd for my engine. Eddy
air gap RPM manifold, eddy performer RPM cam, head
work on stock heads, don't know compression ratio
exactly as I didn't build it, but compression
tests put me about 190 psi cyl pressure.

It's weird, it's like my no 2 cyl is "off" some.
It smooths out once I have my advance set up to
about 25-30 before (yikes)checked degree on camshaft
last year when I replaced the timing cover and that
was good. There's a noticeable difference between
the old disty and this (high performance) one.

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If you pulled the dist with it at No1 then just install the new one at the same position.The pickup dosent matter.As long as the vacuum pot isnt hitting its OK too.I believ you ditch the ballast with the Petronix.Thats why they give you inxtructions.I ibstalled a few of them and they are easy.The pot will move once you set the timing.It dosent care where its at either as long as it can be adjusted.Rocky


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