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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
#330861
05/27/09 09:06 PM
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w timing marks on TDC (#1 compression) is the intermediate shaft slot pointing to the front pass intake bolt and does that then place the rotor tip forward & a bit to the pass side(w the vac can away from the pass firewall so it has room to be adjusted back or forth. This would be the factory position & keeps the plug wire routing consistant
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/27/09 09:25 PM
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If it's 180 out just pull the distributor up a little and turn the rotor 180*. The thing will fire no matter where the pick up is located.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/27/09 09:29 PM
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Put your timing marks to where you want your initial at & put the dist in & rotate it so the vac pot has some room to be moved either way AND that the reluctor is lined up w the magnet slit & is JUST starting to move away from it(no matter where on the clock that ends up being at). The dist terminal above the rotor will be where you would start w #1 plug wire. If you do not want to pull/reroute the plug wires at the dist then move the inter shaft/slot to position the rotor where the #1 wire is currently(or where you want it to be) and the factory(#1) position of forward & slightly to the pass side works good and as before that the reluctor is now lined up(plus a hair CW, this is a SB right) and the vac can has room to be moved.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/27/09 09:47 PM
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there's gotta be something there that you index
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: BurntOrange]
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05/27/09 11:18 PM
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I just put one(with the new ignitor III) in my 383 and it's at 28 intial just to idle. Runs great over 1500 RPM with great crisp throttle. BUT, it doesn't idle well and I can't get it to start unless I cross the solenoid on the firewall. It seems to drop voltage too much turning the key and I have the positive wire and coil on the hotter side of the resistor.
I also had to move the wires one to the(l-r can't member) to get the vac pot in a decent location.
Yep I'm there. I had to move the wire on the cap
3 poles to clear the firewall or other things.
I would find it nearly impossible for the gear to move up and rotate one tooth and drop back on the
cam when I changed the disty. I also had to mash
one wire because the cap is so tight to the wiper
motor on my dart.
I sound like I am only hittin on 7 or so. It's
weird. I am not sure how the sensor works to know
when it's on firing position or not, but that might explain why I lost 2 InHg. Here's there instructions for install and some pictures.
DISTRIBUTORINSTALLATION1.Remove the Flame-Thrower billet distributor cap.2.Install the distributor gasket over the gear, and up to the distributor collar.Use a small amount of gasket adhesive to help hold the gasket in place.3.Lubricate the distributor gear and distributor shaft with clean engine oil.4.Turn the shaft so that when the distributor is placed into the engine, the rotor position matches that of the original distributor.As the distributor drops down, the rotor will turn slightly as it engages with the camshaft gear.Adjust for this rotation by turning the rotor a few degrees prior to the gear engagement.Several attempts may be necessary to achieve the proper rotor position.The distributor collar should sit completely flat on the intake manifold or block.5.Place the distributor cap onto the housing.6.Turn the housing so that the terminal, that represents the first cylinder in the firing order, lines up with the rotor.7.Install the distributor hold down and tighten the hold down bolt slightly.Once the ignition timing is adjusted the hold down bolt should be tightened completely.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: BurntOrange]
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05/27/09 11:36 PM
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I just put one(with the new ignitor III) in my 383 and it's at 28 intial just to idle. Runs great over 1500 RPM with great crisp throttle. BUT, it doesn't idle well and I can't get it to start unless I cross the solenoid on the firewall. It seems to drop voltage too much turning the key and I have the positive wire and coil on the hotter side of the resistor.
I also had to move the wires one to the(l-r can't member) to get the vac pot in a decent location.
You may need to have the voltage knocked back to 6v instead of a full 12v. The manual should give you min voltage requirements and you might have to do a loaded voltage test on the coil. I know there are specific coil voltage requirements for the different modules. I've got troubleshooting instructions for the Ignitor I and II only.
With all the Ignitor modules, leaving the key in the RUN position for more than 30 seconds burns up the module.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
#330879
05/28/09 10:48 AM
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If you pulled the dist with it at No1 then just install the new one at the same position.The pickup dosent matter.As long as the vacuum pot isnt hitting its OK too.I believ you ditch the ballast with the Petronix.Thats why they give you inxtructions.I ibstalled a few of them and they are easy.The pot will move once you set the timing.It dosent care where its at either as long as it can be adjusted.Rocky
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: therocks]
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05/28/09 11:17 AM
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Yea, that's what I figured. Even a hack like me
should be able to set it up. I pulled the old
one at no 1, dropped the new one in, but the rotor
is pointing at say 60 degees different because the
tang is not ground the same but I figure no big deal
because I install the no 1 wire on the tower lined
up with the new location so no 1 is no 1. I had to
move the rotation on the disty because it's a little
bigger than the stock one, no big deal, no 1 is
still no 1 right. The rotor is still at no 1 and
the wire above it on the tower goes to no 1. It
started up ok, actually hit it at -10 from the
get go. Easy, seemed like all was well except
it didn't sound so good and the car was shaking
like it was missing. Checked all the wires with
a timing light and they are all firing. To get it
to smooth out I have to advance it up to at least
-20 and -30 is even better. I am wondering if
the pickup tape is off or something? There isn't
much to screw up on a disty change if you get all
the wires where they go (which I triple checked)
so I am a bit stumped on this one. Voltage to the
coil is good, and like I said, it runs great at -30....
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
#330881
05/28/09 11:30 AM
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I'm running a holley 3310 with the acc pump tweaked
and have it jetted and spring'd for my engine. Eddy
air gap RPM manifold, eddy performer RPM cam, head
work on stock heads, don't know compression ratio
exactly as I didn't build it, but compression
tests put me about 190 psi cyl pressure.
It's weird, it's like my no 2 cyl is "off" some.
It smooths out once I have my advance set up to
about 25-30 before (yikes)checked degree on camshaft
last year when I replaced the timing cover and that
was good. There's a noticeable difference between
the old disty and this (high performance) one.
Any chance you broke/bent the #2 plug wire? Wires laced correctly?
Check the rotor and make sure it's on correctly. Remove it and turn it upside down. Look underneath near each of the screw holes are. One side had a small male square, the other side a small male circle. Make sure they're oriented correctly on the dizzy. Check the PN on the module while you're at it and confirm it's correct
You're capping the vac pot while setting the initial, correct?
Going by your combo you probably ought to be near 15* initial w/ silver springs and the 20* limiters.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
#330882
05/28/09 11:34 AM
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Yea, that's what I figured. Even a hack like me
should be able to set it up. I pulled the old
one at no 1, dropped the new one in, but the rotor
is pointing at say 60 degees different because the
tang is not ground the same but I figure no big deal
because I install the no 1 wire on the tower lined
up with the new location so no 1 is no 1. I had to
move the rotation on the disty because it's a little
bigger than the stock one, no big deal, no 1 is
still no 1 right. The rotor is still at no 1 and
the wire above it on the tower goes to no 1. It
started up ok, actually hit it at -10 from the
get go. Easy, seemed like all was well except
it didn't sound so good and the car was shaking
like it was missing. Checked all the wires with
a timing light and they are all firing. To get it
to smooth out I have to advance it up to at least
-20 and -30 is even better. I am wondering if
the pickup tape is off or something? There isn't
much to screw up on a disty change if you get all
the wires where they go (which I triple checked)
so I am a bit stumped on this one. Voltage to the
coil is good, and like I said, it runs great at -30....
Yeah, it should be simple as pie...
When you checked coil voltage , did you do a loaded test or did you just turn the key to the RUN position and check it?
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/28/09 12:12 PM
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Yeah, pull the rotor off and turn it upside down. Next to each screw hole you'll see either a small male square, or a small male circle. You'll see the circle and square holes near the weights on the dizzy. Make sure they're indexed correctly on the dizzy. It's likely not the problem, but it's good to make sure it's on correctly. And you're jumping the neg. side of the coil to ground, and the black meter wire to ground? Yep, it should be a half hour job.  I'll check back later, I've got errands to run. Maybe check the PN on the module against Pertronix's list.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/28/09 02:58 PM
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on my igniteII,I can see the magnets in the tape thats what I lined up with the rotor pointing to #1 I used another napa rotor and had bad luck till I put the pertronix one back on also had trouble one time when the gap was off on the hall cell...it came with a .030 piece of plastic I reset it and its been fine recheck it when I change caps,still orignal rotor  so maybe check the gap on the hall cell and look for the magnets to line it up for #1 pug termenal on the cap looks to be chivy guts for a mopar dist  I think I will stay with the stock dizzy and ign II and 40,000 volt flame thrower coil been 14 yrs and have not had a prob out of it on 4 cars now...  
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
#330889
05/28/09 04:46 PM
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could be defective,missing the magnets but you said it run,just missing on #2..correct? maybe its missing the magnet in there tape,or out of phasing/idexing does the reluctor thing with the tape come off? I been looking at one hard and this is the most I have seen/read/learned sorry its at your expense  what did they say about a return for another? it looks good from the pics...but? I thought they made a billet one that looked more like the stock one or a mallory the Gm looking rotor is funny looking along with the hall cell on the back side like its 180* out have you tried turning it 180* and rewire it? never know with the GM crap... 
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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05/28/09 05:29 PM
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could be defective,missing the magnets
but you said it run,just missing on #2..correct?
maybe its missing the magnet in there tape,or out of phasing/idexing
does the reluctor thing with the tape come off?
I been looking at one hard and this is the most I have seen/read/learned
sorry its at your expense
what did they say about a return for another?
it looks good from the pics...but?
I thought they made a billet one that looked more like the stock one or a mallory
the Gm looking rotor is funny looking along with the hall cell on the back side
like its 180* out
have you tried turning it 180* and rewire it?
never know with the GM crap...
This IS the supposed billet mopar replication.
It is also kind of tall and one wire actually
is so close it is REAL tight against the wiper
motor. I could try indexing it, the guy at pertronix told me as long as it was pointed
at no 1 it wouldn't matter. Who knows. To be
honest, I don't think it's worth 260 bucks.
I only paid that because I wanted to be able
to change things around when I drop a different
cam in down the road.
I bought it from Summit. They told me I could
send it back if I were not happy, might take
them up on it tonight! I will drop the old one
back in and if it runs back to normal they can
have it back I think.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: Dart 340]
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05/28/09 06:09 PM
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I never worried about lining up the magnet. I'm using the Pertronix ignition on a 550HP combo and it runs fine. It probably could use a CD box, and I would have no problems using the Pertronix unit.
Have you pulled #2 spark plug to check for gap and fouling?
Try exchanging the #2 wire with one from another cylinder. You might be arcing somewhere and not see it.
I had issues with mine a while back and it turned out to be the coil. I'm currently running their 60,000v coil and haven't had any issues.
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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help.
[Re: scratchnfotraction]
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05/28/09 11:34 PM
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man what a bummer
does it use a stock cap on it?
must be like one of the DUI dizzy I have seen
post back how it goes for ya with the old dizzy back in there 
 might want to take them up on it before the time expires on the meter...its beeping now
good luck 
I checked the no 2 and it was good except for the
fact it is mashed under the wiper motor.... maybe
thats it but I did not see any misfire etc in a dark garage. Plug looked good and it fired the timing light ok when I hooked that up to it.
It runs fine with the old disty back in it. No
the cap is proprietary to the distributor. You would have to buy one from them for a replacement. Since the old one runs fine I am
sending the unit back to summit. They seem to
be fine with it since I did talk to Pertronix
tech and we came up with nothing. Who knows, it
could have been a bad mag on the tape.
Now I need to get my disty curved so it's not
as much of a slow advancing bone, and do some
slot welding so I can run with more advance.
Thanks all for your input.
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