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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: therocks] #330880
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Yea, that's what I figured. Even a hack like me
should be able to set it up. I pulled the old
one at no 1, dropped the new one in, but the rotor
is pointing at say 60 degees different because the
tang is not ground the same but I figure no big deal
because I install the no 1 wire on the tower lined
up with the new location so no 1 is no 1. I had to
move the rotation on the disty because it's a little
bigger than the stock one, no big deal, no 1 is
still no 1 right. The rotor is still at no 1 and
the wire above it on the tower goes to no 1. It
started up ok, actually hit it at -10 from the
get go. Easy, seemed like all was well except
it didn't sound so good and the car was shaking
like it was missing. Checked all the wires with
a timing light and they are all firing. To get it
to smooth out I have to advance it up to at least
-20 and -30 is even better. I am wondering if
the pickup tape is off or something? There isn't
much to screw up on a disty change if you get all
the wires where they go (which I triple checked)
so I am a bit stumped on this one. Voltage to the
coil is good, and like I said, it runs great at -30....

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330881
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I'm running a holley 3310 with the acc pump tweaked
and have it jetted and spring'd for my engine. Eddy
air gap RPM manifold, eddy performer RPM cam, head
work on stock heads, don't know compression ratio
exactly as I didn't build it, but compression
tests put me about 190 psi cyl pressure.

It's weird, it's like my no 2 cyl is "off" some.
It smooths out once I have my advance set up to
about 25-30 before (yikes)checked degree on camshaft
last year when I replaced the timing cover and that
was good. There's a noticeable difference between
the old disty and this (high performance) one.




Any chance you broke/bent the #2 plug wire? Wires laced correctly?

Check the rotor and make sure it's on correctly. Remove it and turn it upside down. Look underneath near each of the screw holes are. One side had a small male square, the other side a small male circle. Make sure they're oriented correctly on the dizzy. Check the PN on the module while you're at it and confirm it's correct

You're capping the vac pot while setting the initial, correct?

Going by your combo you probably ought to be near 15* initial w/ silver springs and the 20* limiters.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330882
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Yea, that's what I figured. Even a hack like me
should be able to set it up. I pulled the old
one at no 1, dropped the new one in, but the rotor
is pointing at say 60 degees different because the
tang is not ground the same but I figure no big deal
because I install the no 1 wire on the tower lined
up with the new location so no 1 is no 1. I had to
move the rotation on the disty because it's a little
bigger than the stock one, no big deal, no 1 is
still no 1 right. The rotor is still at no 1 and
the wire above it on the tower goes to no 1. It
started up ok, actually hit it at -10 from the
get go. Easy, seemed like all was well except
it didn't sound so good and the car was shaking
like it was missing. Checked all the wires with
a timing light and they are all firing. To get it
to smooth out I have to advance it up to at least
-20 and -30 is even better. I am wondering if
the pickup tape is off or something? There isn't
much to screw up on a disty change if you get all
the wires where they go (which I triple checked)
so I am a bit stumped on this one. Voltage to the
coil is good, and like I said, it runs great at -30....




Yeah, it should be simple as pie...

When you checked coil voltage , did you do a loaded test or did you just turn the key to the RUN position and check it?

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: 64Post] #330883
05/28/09 11:58 AM
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Any chance you broke/bent the #2 plug wire? Wires laced correctly?

Check the rotor and make sure it's on correctly. Remove it and turn it upside down. Look underneath near each of the screw holes are. One side had a small male square, the other side a small male circle. Make sure they're oriented correctly on the dizzy. Check the PN on the module while you're at it and confirm it's correct

You're capping the vac pot while setting the initial, correct?

Going by your combo you probably ought to be near 15* initial w/ silver springs and the 20* limiters.




With my old disty about 16 was perfect so you are
right on. I believe the rotor is held on with two
screws correct? Where do I find the circle and square reference marks?

I will load test again, but it did have an
Ignitor II module in the stock disty and I replaced it with an Ignitor II in the billet disty so it should be the same. I will check the
module number and see. I'll also run a resistance
check on the no 2 wire. Even new ones can be or go bad. It's just "weird" this should be a half
hour job max.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330884
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Yeah, pull the rotor off and turn it upside down. Next to each screw hole you'll see either a small male square, or a small male circle. You'll see the circle and square holes near the weights on the dizzy. Make sure they're indexed correctly on the dizzy. It's likely not the problem, but it's good to make sure it's on correctly.

And you're jumping the neg. side of the coil to ground, and the black meter wire to ground?

Yep, it should be a half hour job.

I'll check back later, I've got errands to run. Maybe check the PN on the module against Pertronix's list.

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Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: 64Post] #330886
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talked to Carl at Pertronix, his only suggestions
were to make sure there is smooth advance and
return on the advance because they can occasionally
bind up and if so pull off the "rotor" cap and free
it up. Other than that he said to try a jumper from
the battery positive to the coil.

Guess I'll check those few things, go over all my
wiring again and go from there....

It has to be something simple I keep telling myself.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330887
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on my igniteII,I can see the magnets in the tape

thats what I lined up with the rotor pointing to #1

I used another napa rotor and had bad luck till I put the pertronix one back on

also had trouble one time when the gap was off on the hall cell...it came with a .030 piece of plastic

I reset it and its been fine

recheck it when I change caps,still orignal rotor

so maybe check the gap on the hall cell and look for the magnets to line it up for #1 pug termenal on the cap



looks to be chivy guts for a mopar dist

I think I will stay with the stock dizzy and ign II and 40,000 volt flame thrower coil

been 14 yrs and have not had a prob out of it on 4 cars now...


Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: scratchnfotraction] #330888
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I can see the magnets on my old Ignitor II points
replacement but not on the new one in the billet
disty. I've run the old Ignitor II for over a year
now without any problems at all. Who knows, it is
possible it has a defect.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330889
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could be defective,missing the magnets

but you said it run,just missing on #2..correct?

maybe its missing the magnet in there tape,or out of phasing/idexing

does the reluctor thing with the tape come off?

I been looking at one hard and this is the most I have seen/read/learned

sorry its at your expense

what did they say about a return for another?

it looks good from the pics...but?

I thought they made a billet one that looked more like the stock one or a mallory

the Gm looking rotor is funny looking along with the hall cell on the back side

like its 180* out

have you tried turning it 180* and rewire it?

never know with the GM crap...


Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: scratchnfotraction] #330890
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could be defective,missing the magnets

but you said it run,just missing on #2..correct?

maybe its missing the magnet in there tape,or out of phasing/idexing

does the reluctor thing with the tape come off?

I been looking at one hard and this is the most I have seen/read/learned

sorry its at your expense

what did they say about a return for another?

it looks good from the pics...but?

I thought they made a billet one that looked more like the stock one or a mallory

the Gm looking rotor is funny looking along with the hall cell on the back side

like its 180* out

have you tried turning it 180* and rewire it?

never know with the GM crap...






This IS the supposed billet mopar replication.
It is also kind of tall and one wire actually
is so close it is REAL tight against the wiper
motor. I could try indexing it, the guy at pertronix told me as long as it was pointed
at no 1 it wouldn't matter. Who knows. To be
honest, I don't think it's worth 260 bucks.
I only paid that because I wanted to be able
to change things around when I drop a different
cam in down the road.

I bought it from Summit. They told me I could
send it back if I were not happy, might take
them up on it tonight! I will drop the old one
back in and if it runs back to normal they can
have it back I think.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330891
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I never worried about lining up the magnet. I'm using the Pertronix ignition on a 550HP combo and it runs fine. It probably could use a CD box, and I would have no problems using the Pertronix unit.

Have you pulled #2 spark plug to check for gap and fouling?

Try exchanging the #2 wire with one from another cylinder. You might be arcing somewhere and not see it.

I had issues with mine a while back and it turned out to be the coil. I'm currently running their 60,000v coil and haven't had any issues.

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man what a bummer

does it use a stock cap on it?

must be like one of the DUI dizzy I have seen

post back how it goes for ya with the old dizzy back in there

might want to take them up on it before the time expires on the meter...its beeping now

good luck


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man what a bummer

does it use a stock cap on it?

must be like one of the DUI dizzy I have seen

post back how it goes for ya with the old dizzy back in there

might want to take them up on it before the time expires on the meter...its beeping now

good luck






I checked the no 2 and it was good except for the
fact it is mashed under the wiper motor.... maybe
thats it but I did not see any misfire etc in a dark garage. Plug looked good and it fired the timing light ok when I hooked that up to it.

It runs fine with the old disty back in it. No
the cap is proprietary to the distributor. You would have to buy one from them for a replacement. Since the old one runs fine I am
sending the unit back to summit. They seem to
be fine with it since I did talk to Pertronix
tech and we came up with nothing. Who knows, it
could have been a bad mag on the tape.

Now I need to get my disty curved so it's not
as much of a slow advancing bone, and do some
slot welding so I can run with more advance.

Thanks all for your input.

Re: Pertronix Billet disty install help. [Re: Dart 340] #330894
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Sorry it didn't work out. More than anything I'm disappointed with not finding the problem.

I can't help but think that dizzy is going to get resold to someone else who is likely going to have the same problem.

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Well I hope it doesn't!

If I had more time I could have worked on it
more and maybe come up with the problem.
My time is limited right now, and I have a show
tomorrow. I am usually not the guy to give up
at all on something like this. I am thinking
it either had something to do with the one wire
being "torqued" and mashed under the wiper motor,
or maybe as Carl at pertronix mentioned, something
not 100% free in the cap / adjustable area.

With more time, I think it might show what the
problem was. My no. 2 has been making a little
noise lately anyway so maybe lighter spark made
it show up even more.

It is a really nice unit, and I think in a little
bigger chassis it would fit perfect!

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