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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33033
07/02/08 05:47 PM
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Clair,
the issue with the Header - Starter clearence is a nightmare for me. I have all in and isolated the Starter but I had to dent a Headertube to the half of diameter. And there is maybe just 5mm airgap between them. With the wrap on the Starter they are touching. But I will give it a try.

There is defenitly no room now for Headers.
A Buddy gave me a set of 2002 318 Magnum exhaust manifolds. Have you had a thought on them? Are they any good instead of my Cheapo headders? what do you think?

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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33034
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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33035
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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33036
07/02/08 08:35 PM
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Are you using the mini-starter from the Magnum trucks and late cars, or the full size? I found the mini starter (Nipondenso) to actually sit a little wider than the larger starter, so that may help. There is also another starter out there that can be clocked to fit better... RobMc? I need to look for details on that one again.

This is really the worst case scenario for me, as I can't tolerate modifying my TTI's, so I need to find a work-around for this.

I'm not sure about the Maggie manifolds, it looks like the driver side will have some interference with the steering column. I've never tried them though, but even they look like the down pipe or head pipe will have to be fairly crushed to fit as well. Worth investigating, I guess, but it doesn't look promising.

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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33037
07/03/08 03:49 AM
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Clair, this is already the Ministarter (Nippon Denso)...

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33038
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Do you have a large-case / old starter to test with? I think the older starters fit closer to the block.

Clair

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33039
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No. Only one in 1000 pieces.
But I can not imagine that this is working. You have the axle of the starter in the center and a larger body. How can this be closer to the block on the exhaust side?


(when do you sleep - isn't it 4 in the morning???)

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33040
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So, the header is hitting the starter body, not the solenoid? Hmmm... Not good. I couldn't tell exactly what was going on in the photos. I'll have to see if I can round up a large starter in my stash, but I don't have an extra ND starter to compare to. The Liberty starter I have is a totally different design, so not much use there - although it is a tiny little starter.

Sleep? I've got a 2.5 month old, and I get the 2-3am feeding. It's when I get caught up on my car shows on the DVR...

Clair

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33041
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I've been watching this post for quite some time and I have to ask, why the stock dakota m/c? Did you look at the aftermarket items from tilton or ram. The tilton TO bearing is expensive but the master's are really reasonable and allows you to mount the unit up high near the booster in the a-bodies. Keep up the great work and I can't wait to here the results when the car is on the road.

Tony

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: dtedler] #33042
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Speaking primarily for myself, but I ASSume that Michael is of a similar mind, using OEM parts is attractive from a reliability and ease-of-replacement standpoint. There is also a cost issue, particularly for Michael, since it's tough or prohibitively expensive to get some parts in Germany.

I'm not opposed to using the Tilton parts if I can get them to do what I need them to do, but I probably won't look too close at them until I get the system functional or run in to a wall trying.

Clair

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33043
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Buschi,
Can you give a list of all of the parts required for this swap. That would really be helpful. Excellent work!

Greg

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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Greg55_99] #33044
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Just joined to throw some info your way. R154s are VERY tough transmissions, there are some Supra guys making over 1000rwhp on stock trannies over on SupraMania and SupraForums. Obviously a high HP turbo car is different than a high HP V8, but it should still hold what most of you folks want it to. Just some food for though, YMMV

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Greg55_99] #33045
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Can you give a list of all of the parts required for this swap. That would really be helpful. Excellent work!

Greg


sure I can but everything is discussed here I think.
I will do it after test driving, I won't provide informations for a swap which is not complete or won't work well.

Ok?

Ok, next problem:

My X pipe does not fit anymore. The Tranny is longer and the X too close to the x-member. They hit. But this is just simple work - but work...

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33046
07/18/08 05:33 PM
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FYI, I'm still working on getting the speedo cables for us, just haven't had time to get away from work at all. I'm hoping to get out to the place next week...

Clair

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33047
07/18/08 05:49 PM
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did you found the dustcover too?

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33048
07/18/08 07:16 PM
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Nope, I forgot about that part completely. I'll dig through those emails and find the PN again... I'm guessing it won't be too expensive...

Clair

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33049
07/19/08 02:10 PM
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no, not that expensive. Around 35.00 USD or so...

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33050
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interesting!


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Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Clair_Davis] #33051
07/26/08 01:03 PM
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He Clair, been out today for a testdrive... and it works so far. Drove only 2-3 miles.
On the first drive the clutch sliped horrible so I shortened the pushrod on the Slave approx 1 cm. Too much! So I welded 0.5 cm back on - perfect.

The test will be Autobahn. Lets see what happens then.
But so far everything works good (for 2 mls...)

Re: 340sb with 5 speed conversion? [Re: Buschi340] #33052
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Clair,

been out to the german Mopar Nationals.
The Conversion is worth every dime. Runs great on Autobahn, very good pedal feel (and popo-meter), Fuelsaver (less then 12L / 100km @ 120 km/h / 2700rpm). At 3000rpm the cars runs 135km/h.

at the Nationals we had a race on the airport. I took a few small videos with my camera:



same run filmed by audience:

http://www.mopartube.de/videodetails.php?key=32d75fe70ae04541747e

Link to the nationals:
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=w8TD98tPhLI
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie2cQB4Yo8s

Now I need to make the car faster....

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