B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Fellas -
My 68 RR (hemi, 727, Dana 60) has some driveline vibration at about 60+ mph. Wasn't happening until recently.
Lubed the u joints (I need to swap to solid u joints) today, checked u bolts for tightness. Got pulled over on the test drive (he liked the car, no ticket), but still vibrating.
Car does not have a pinion snubber. When I got underneath, I saw where it looks like the very rear of the driveshaft smacked the floorpan - must have been an extreme angle. My guess is that I tweaked the rear u joint when this happened.
My plan - drop the driveshaft, get solid Spicer u joints installed. Install a pinion snubber. Driveshaft stuff I can handle, but any ideas on a good pinion snubber? Doesn't have to be 100% correct Mopar; car is slightly modified, and it's not going to be concourse judged.
Thanks,
Scott
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Driveshaft is out and will go to the shop Monday or Tuesday.
Any recommendations on pinion snubbers?
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Scott
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Feel like I'm having a one-sided conversation here, but I bought a Mopar adjustable pinion snubber from Jeg's...
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Feel like I'm having a one-sided conversation here, but I bought a Mopar adjustable pinion snubber from Jeg's...
What rpm is the engine turning when the vibration starts and can you drive through it? Say it starts at 3500 and vibrates til 4800??? will it vibrate in neutral at the same rpm???
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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I don't like pinion snubbers. They hinder suspension travel. If the universal joint is going that high from axle wrap it's the fault of weak leaf springs.
Is the vibration speed or rpm related?
I correct my statement. I don't like adjustable pinion snubbers. The factory one will not hinder travel.
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Driveshaft shop says the front u joint is bad. They'll replace it with a solid joint, straighten, and balance it. Should be back in the car this evening. Maybe I can take a test drive without getting pulled over this time...
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Scott
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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#@)(&$)#@Q*I$~!!!
Driveshaft went back in last night, freshly balanced, straightened, painted, new u joints front and rear. Took her for a drive and the vibration is still there. I only felt it as I was going pretty fast (maybe 60-80 mph?). Goes away when I put it in neutral. Does not appear to be rpm related; don't feel it at high rpms at lower speeds.
This is getting frustrating...
Any other thoughts? I'll check the trans bolts for tightness this weekend.
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Driveshaft shop says the front u joint is bad. They'll replace it with a solid joint, straighten, and balance it. Should be back in the car this evening. Maybe I can take a test drive without getting pulled over this time...
Thanks,
Scott
Why would the front joint have gone bad if the rear was what hit the floor?
Also STRAIGHTEN ??? , straighten WHAT ???
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Driveshaft shop says the front u joint is bad. They'll replace it with a solid joint, straighten, and balance it. Should be back in the car this evening. Maybe I can take a test drive without getting pulled over this time...
Thanks,
Scott
Why would the front joint have gone bad if the rear was what hit the floor?
Also STRAIGHTEN ??? , straighten WHAT ???
Driveshaft shop said that the front joint was old, and it was bad. Probably the result of age, not rear diff rotation. Surprised that they didn't replace the joint when they built the car.
The shaft wasn't bent, but they check for straightness (and straighten it, if it's bent, I guess) when they balance it.
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Whoa whoa whoa.... If you are rolling along at 80 mph and the vibration is there...and you put the car in N and the vibration goes away... would you not want to investigate the converter/flexplate/flywheel balance? If the driveline was causing this the vibrato would still be there even in N when the car is rolling. Personally I'd think about finding a different driveshaft shop. It is straight or it's not. If not it needs to be retubed or it will never be correct.
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Took it to the local tire shop today. Wheels were all out of balance to some degree. All balanced out, but the two front ones didn't seem to be 100% true (brand new reproductions), so he said that I might still have some slight vibration. Sure enough, the vibration is still there, but significantly reduced. Need to hook up the speedo to see where it kicks in at, but I think it's probably around 70 mph.
Thanks for all the input!
Scott
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Re: B Body Dana 60, Pinion Snubber, Driveline Vibration
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Scott,
Hate to chime in late here but I now find myself in your situation, just a little bit worse... Funny thing is I have the same set up in my car, 68 Road Runner-426-727-4.10 dana and live in Virginia...go figure... Car is a total restoration,and I had my drive shaft balanced prior to installation with new joints. Up to this point I had only driven the car around the neighborhood and a few small burnouts in front of the housewith no issues. I drove the car through town (3 miles/40MPH) for the alignment. After that was done I took it out for the highway run it it felt really good under throttle to about 70 or so and then I let off the throttle and it started the vibrations pretty strong. I slowed down and varied speeds and it seemed like it was more pronounced during deceleration. I took it home and put it up on the lift and everything looked and felt OK. In my mind I was thinking something from the rear end since the vibration was in the body and not the steering wheel. I took it out one more time and still had the same problem...all of a sudden the vibration went away and for a second or so I was pretty happy until I looked out in the mirror and saw nothing but smoke...and I mean a LOT of smoke... The heavy smoke cleared up but I was still getting intermittent puffs as I slowed down and got off the highway. Once off I pulled into a parking lot and discovered trany fluid everwhere under the car. I nursed the car back to the garage but had to go under 25 MPH as the car had vibrations bad enough that I did not want to chance anything by pushing it. Once under the car I found the tail shaft housing in two pieces, it broke just after the mount. Once I got things cleaned up a bit I pulled the driveshaft (the weights are still in place)and the U-joints still feel good through full travel. I spun the shaft out the back of the tranny and it is straight as best as I can visibly see. Good thing was that there was no damage to the body other than the mess from the tranny fluid. This happened last weekend and I had to leave town before I could have the driveshaft re-checked... I also still need to drop the tranny pan and see if there may be any suprises...I love this hobby...
Anyone else ever bust a tailshaft housing???
Jim 68 Hemi Road Runner
Jim -
Hey, nice car! Do you have any pics you can send? If so, my e mail is bulletpruf_99@hotmail.com
Thanks,
Scott
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