My 70 Challenger is originaly an AC car, but when I got it, it had an aftermarket replacement water valve. I want to replace that with an original type water valve.

Will someone please provide measurements to the mounting holes on the inner fender for the bracket that holds the water valve?

Hopefully the holes already in the car will match up with the measurements I'm given and then I can weld up any extra holes from the aftermarket stuff before I paint the car.

Here a pic of the bracket.

Thanks a Bunch!
Tav

Here's a pic of the water valve installed on the bracket on another car.

Tav

Here's a pic of what my inner fender looks like now.



Tav

Is that a dent I'm seeing or just the lighting ???

Not sure which part you're looking at, but it's probably a dent. Car was T boned HARD in the early 70's, knocked the inner fender welds loose, & they were tacked back on by a body shop. I'm still doing a little metal work/hole drilling/test fitting of parts, etc.

Is that your red car in the pic I posted above?

Tav

I think the "dent" is indicative of a mid year production 1971 and up inner fender. Tav, is your car a 70 or a 71? One of my M46 cars is an A/C car, I can take some pics of the passenger fender, it is untouched original, other than most of the A/C stuff has been removed! There is no water valve or any hoses in the area in question. Hmm, I also have a shell from an early production 71 Challenger with 70 original inner fender still in place. I can take pics of that one, it is easier to get to. Tav, do you know what an original 70 only E Body water valve looks like? I have been looking for one for years, and I probably wouldn't know what it looked like if I saw it unless it was NOS in the box! Looking forward to meeting you at Carlisle Colin!

Here is a pic. of the early 71 fender, notice, no "dent"! Anyways, let me know a reference point to measure from and I will get you the measurements. If these holes do not look the same as your fender, let me know, the green M46 car is more difficult to photograph but it can be done.

Thanks again for helping Dwight! I guess first we need to figure out which holes we're measuring TO. I'm not sure which holes the water valve bracket uses, that's part of my problem. The bracket looks like it is held to the inner fender by 3 bolts, so I guess we're looking for 3 holes, one on the top and two below that. I've labeled your picture with colored arrows so that we can easily talk about the holes. If anyone knows which holes the water valve bracket is supposed to use, please speak up and let us know which ones.

That is an AC car in your pic right Dwight?

I'm confident that the holes marked in RED are located the same on both of our inner fenders.

I THINK that your hole marked in BLUE is in the same spot as the undrilled dimple marked in BLUE on my car.

Are the spots marked with GREEN & PINK arrows actually holes? They look like holes.

I suspect the water valve bracket would use either the GREEN & PINK holes or the GREEN & BLACK holes. Does anyone know?

Tav

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Your holes appear correct & you apparently have a California car due to the extra hole for the evap line hold down clamp...

Hi Randy, Thanks for pitching in! Glad you think the holes look right. That and your pics help quite a bit, especially the first pic.

This isn't a California car though. Here's another pic of my inner fender with the aftermarket water valve that was on the car when I got it. This aftermarket valve came from Year One in the early 90's. I got the receipt for it when I bought the car.

The BLUE arrow marks the sheetmetal dimple where the clamp for the California car Evap line would go. You can also see this dimple on the first pic you posted.

Going by all the pics posted so far, and what people have said, I'm Guessing that the GREEN & BLACK arrows mark the holes for the factory water valve bracket.

That would mean that the PINK arrow is a hole that was drilled for the aftermarket valve, and that I should weld that up before painting the car.

As soon as I get the factory style bracket I ordered from Bill Rolik (still on the way) I'll test fit it up to those GREEN & BLACK holes, and if they match up then I'm all set.

Tav

Back to this picture again. (see below) I Just took a look at my June 1970 'Cuda without AC inner fender. My 'Cuda has sheetmetal dimples at the spots marked with PINK & BLACK arrows on this picture. I compared their locations to the holes on my Challenger, and the holes on my Challenger are definitely the ones marked with BLACK arrows.

(BLACK arrows 1 inch center to center, PINK arrows 13/16ths center to center)

My August 1969 Challenger does Not have sheetmetal dimples at the spots marked with PINK arrows. My June 1970 'Cuda has the sheetmetal dimples but they are not drilled. M46rats 1971 Challenger has them and they appear to be drilled. Does anyone know what would go there? M46rats car is an AC car, so it must be something small enough to fit underneath the watervalve bracket. (unless it mounts in the wheelwell on the other side of the inner fender?)

Tav

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Tav: It is a non N95 car. What measurements do you need, if any? I bought it as a shell, no A/C, motor or trans. etc.

By comparing with my 'Cuda I've determined that the holes marked with BLACK arrows are drilled in factory dimpled locations on my Challenger. It sounds like once I get the new valve bracket from Bill Rolik, I can put it over those two holes and that will check the location of the third hole for me. As long as the new bracket lines up with all the holes OK, then I don't think I'll need any measurements Dwight. I'll let you know if it doesn't fit and I still need help. Thank You Very Much for the pics and advice!!

Tav

Alright, I got the reproduction water valve bracket from Bill Rolik yesterday. It looks like a good piece and fits well. It does line up with three of the holes that were already in my car, so I won't be needing measurements from anyone after all. I know these fasteners aren't correct, they're just for this test fit. Looks like I've got 1 hole from the aftermarket stuff to weld up.

Many thanks to Dwight & Randy for helping!!

Tav

Where do you get the correct bolts?