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10.00 with a stroker small block #31811
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What would it take in way of a stroker small block to run 10.00 in a 3000# car with driver.


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31812
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at that light of weight it could likely even be done with an eddie head...but a w2 motor would surely do it,any other head would more than get it done(W5/INDY...ETC)

If i were to do it the cheapest way,this is what i would do

904 trans
5100-5200 flash 8 inch convertor

ryan ported eddie heads
13-1 compression
a roller along the lines of about 266/272 at 50 about 650 lift
good hp 950 carb
1/78 headers

should go 10 flat relatively easy...

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69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: B3422W5] #31813
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I want it to be durable, do you need one of the racing blocks or can it be done with a production block? What gear with a 31.4 tire? What shift points will you really have to buzz it? My car weighs 3125 with me in it with a aluminum head big block, so I am guessing around 3000 with an aluminun head small block.


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31814
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a good production block thats studded,with a steel 4 inch crank would be the ticket...i would get the lighter callies crank..mancini sells a kit with that crank,eagle h beams and diamond pistons

not sure with that tall of tire what gear,but likely 4.56's...

should be able to shift it at 6600-6700...it would be very durable......weedlayer on the board here has an eddie stroker that goes 10.30's that is 450 pounds heavier than you will be and is running a 727...his mill in your car with a 904 would go 9.90's easily


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: B3422W5] #31815
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at that light of weight it could likely even be done with an eddie head...but a w2 motor would surely do it,any other head would more than get it done(W5/INDY...ETC)

If i were to do it the cheapest way,this is what i would do

904 trans
5100-5200 flash 8 inch convertor

ryan ported eddie heads
13-1 compression
a roller along the lines of about 266/272 at 50 about 650 lift
good hp 950 carb
1/78 headers

should go 10 flat relatively easy...




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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dartman366] #31816
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Anyone else have any suggestions?


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31817
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My friend has a 416 indy head,roller camshaft i think duration is 276-280 @ 50 with 630 lift, 1050 dominator,13.1 compression.6000 stall and 430 gears at 3000 pounds run the best of 9.90 at 136.

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31818
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Anyone else have any suggestions?



My setup is 408 eddie head in 2620 car, My suggestion would be to go with Commando head and good bottom end cast crank, eagle rod, ross piston, 12.5-1 comp, My heads don't allow for the power needed to go much faster, going to hit road block soon. Start with commando head....cost a bit more but can get them to flow better than eddy IMO, that's the way I would go if I could do over.

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: wheelsup68dart] #31819
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Anyone else have any suggestions?



My setup is 408 eddie head in 2620 car, My suggestion would be to go with Commando head and good bottom end cast crank, eagle rod, ross piston, 12.5-1 comp, My heads don't allow for the power needed to go much faster, going to hit road block soon. Start with commando head....cost a bit more but can get them to flow better than eddy IMO, that's the way I would go if I could do over.


commando's are the way I went, in the morning I can give you a rundown of what is going in mine, if I had every thing back from the machine shop I would even show you picture's too.


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31820
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heres my combo, 78 block, partial fill, sonic checked, align honed, head and main studs, eagle 4" steel crank, eagle H rods, ross pistons, 12.97/1 comp, modern cyl head cnc ported edel heads, roller springs, roller cam 667/675 lift 264/270 dur cam, crane gold race rockers 1.6, tti 1 5/8 to 1 7/8 headers, vc jr man, holley 950 hp, motor dynoed at 614 hp at 6300, 560 tq at 4700, motor is in a 73 scamp,dont know the weight, 727, 5200 vert, 410 gears, 29.5 tire best et of 10.45, best mph 129.9, best 60' 1.499, havent even tuned it yet so im sure itll hit 10 flat easy


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31821
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guess it could be done. A friend just went 9.20 @ 150 in a 2650lb car.


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: Mr.Yuck] #31822
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Mine runs 10.0's its a 416" with W5's
11.3 comp
roller cam
CNC W5's
indy intake 1050 dom

727 8" converter

30" tire with 4:56's

car weighs 3220 with me in it


I would say forget the eddys unless your car is setup on kill. It would take a very well layed out chassis to run the #'s you want with eddys.

cars are never as fast as you think they are going to be.

I would suggest the Indy first
then a W2 or W5 if you can find them
or a Large port commando would be good also.


Good luck

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: 340RICK] #31823
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My car 1.38-1.42 with a big block and runs 10.19-10.29 an I would like it to be at least that fast but no quicker than a 10.00. I don't all the hasle of 9.99 an faster. The mph is 130 in my car now.


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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: dannysbee] #31824
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If I can run 10:50's with a mostly stock bottom end 360, flattappet cam and W2's then you should have no problem running 10:00's with a stroker, roller cam W2. W2's are still rather easy to find. I know where there are at least 5 sets of race W2's, open chamber.

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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: 340RICK] #31825
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Mine runs 10.0's its a 416" with W5's
11.3 comp
roller cam
CNC W5's
indy intake 1050 dom

727 8" converter

30" tire with 4:56's

car weighs 3220 with me in it


I would say forget the eddys unless your car is setup on kill. It would take a very well layed out chassis to run the #'s you want with eddys.

cars are never as fast as you think they are going to be.

I would suggest the Indy first
then a W2 or W5 if you can find them
or a Large port commando would be good also.


Good luck





i guess it all depends on how much money you want to spend to go that fast...in a 3000 pound car with driver i would still say 10 flat would be easy...my old combo with eddies went 10.74...that was without a roller,without a 904,and at 3500 pounds...just with a 500 pound weight reduction and a 904 it would have run mighty close to 10 flat without a roller,and that was on the same stock suspension the car still has.....and the heads werent even fully ported...at 3000 pounds its only gonna take about 560 or so true horse to run 10 flat....thats real easy with good eddies and a roller...real easy...and whatever you do..dont run a cast stroker crank in anything you want to go 10 flat in...that is not a smart thing to try...been there,done that


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: 340RICK] #31826
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I would say forget the eddys unless your car is setup on kill. It would take a very well layed out chassis to run the #'s you want with eddys.

cars are never as fast as you think they are going to be.

I would suggest the Indy first
then a W2 or W5 if you can find them
or a Large port commando would be good also.


Good luck





My car runs 10.0's
stock 340 block w/w5's
11:1 comp
3.79 crank
3250-3300 w/ me
4.88 w/ 30" tire
stay with w2-5's eddies didnt cut it for me!
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Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: B3422W5] #31827
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and whatever you do..dont run a cast stroker crank in anything you want to go 10 flat in...that is not a smart thing to try...been there,done that



Been doing this for over 3 years, never had any problems. Parts always look good upon inspection. I just never turn engine at high RPM (over 7000)

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: wheelsup68dart] #31828
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anyone care to share thier shift points, and trap RPM?

cam profiles?

thanks!

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anyone care to share thier shift points, and trap RPM?

cam profiles?

thanks!



I shift at 6400, trap rpm is between 6800-7000, my cam is in the neighborhood of 625 lift with 1.6 rocker, not sure on duration.

Re: 10.00 with a stroker small block [Re: wheelsup68dart] #31830
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and whatever you do..dont run a cast stroker crank in anything you want to go 10 flat in...that is not a smart thing to try...been there,done that



Been doing this for over 3 years, never had any problems. Parts always look good upon inspection. I just never turn engine at high RPM (over 7000)





your lucky and your car is extremely light...i broke mine going 10.30's at 3400 pounds with the old 416 shortblock and w5 heads with a flat tappet...it was the third season on it and it was pro built by hensley's...but at 2600 pounds you may get away with it for a while longer...but it WILL break....


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

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