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Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302905
04/29/09 02:14 PM
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So are you using a volt meter to test for voltage?

Where do you not have voltage at?

Have you pulled the bulkhead connector to take a look?


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Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302906
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Yes, i have 12volts on the bolt to the starter relay but on the inside of the bulk connector i am getting nothing at all.

Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302907
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Jumper the fusible link and check your voltage again. The link can look good from the outside and be broken under the insulation.

Re: Starter Relay [Re: Snoopy] #302908
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I agree. The fusable link is the wire (original was blue?) from the starter relay to the 2nd bulkhead connector. But be careful, turn off the light switch, and be ready to cut the wire if it gets hot!

actually I would first pull off the second connector and check for voltage here at the fusable link.

Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302909
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Thanks for the picture, but i did pull them off and clean them , then i checked where the fusible link connects to the relay and it got a steady 12volts but the inside of bulk head where the fusible link connects to wasn't getting any reading so is this my problem?

Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302910
04/29/09 03:57 PM
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Sounds to me like it isn't feeding through the bulk head. Bad connection.

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Yea thats what i was assuming but i cant tell how its connected through the bulk head, is there a way i can repair this or ? what are my options to fix this connection?

Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302912
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Well you said you don't have voltage in the interior (Red wire) at the bulk head. I would check for voltage at the connector (opposite of end of the fusable link not at the starter relay) sounds like it fried.

Remove the connector (engine side) and check the voltage at this (of the fusable link) end.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302913
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Okay, so this fuse i have to replace, is this in the car or somewhere on the wire itself?

Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302914
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It is the wire.

It is a special wire that acts like a fuse if there is too much draw on it.


If you buy a generic fusable link from the parts store make sure to also buy one of these pakard 56 terminals.





so you can terminate it correctly.

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Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302915
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Quote:

Well you said you don't have voltage in the interior (Red wire) at the bulk head. I would check for voltage at the connector (opposite of end of the fusable link not at the starter relay) sounds like it fried.

Remove the connector (engine side) and check the voltage at this (of the fusable link) end.


Yeah missed that part, too. Check the other end of the fuseable link, not just the end that is on the relay. Check the engine side.

Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302916
04/29/09 04:22 PM
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If this is bad don't just splice in the replacement part. Take the wire out of the harness and replace this assy.



I dunno if the replacement part is available anymore at the local parts store. You may have to make your new ends.

This picture is from a ebay ad that is a direct replacement part.


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Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302917
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Better yet do the MADD electrical update. Dunno where the link to that one is but I'm sure someone here has it.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302918
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http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/amp-gauges.shtml

And

http://www.allpar.com/history/mopar/electrical.html

And here is the electrical update for the headlights. Maybe it won't put such a strain on your electrical system after this mod.

http://www.madelectrical.com/electricaltech/brighter-headlights.shtml

Plus you will have brighter lights.


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Re: Starter Relay [Re: HealthServices] #302919
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Thanks alot for all the great information on this, i have never read it but it was really interesting and i never even really thought about it. Just so i understand correctly though, if the ammeter breaks then i wont receive any electric to the car thus making it not possible to start by key? and would my initial problem where the lights cut off and the car died while i was driving coincide with a broken ammeter? thanks again for all the great stuff

Re: Starter Relay [Re: 440_ci] #302920
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The fact that you don't have your voltage on the inside of the bulkhead indicates that either your fusable link is bad or the bulkhead is bad. The female connectors open up and need to be closed up some after all these years.

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