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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
#29635
09/17/06 02:46 PM
09/17/06 02:46 PM
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Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's !
It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's.
The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds.
Saying "NO to a PS" seems to be wurkin' furrr me !
Namvet-did you used to go by the username: Dr/MrFiberglass on this board years ago?? I think he had a '62 that he said went 12's with 2.76 too.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: 446acuda]
#29636
09/17/06 02:54 PM
09/17/06 02:54 PM
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70dart360
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Yep, Doc Fiberglass was permantly banned years ago I though. Kinda for the same reasons as his post in this topic.  ..
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: IronWolf]
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09/18/06 04:25 PM
09/18/06 04:25 PM
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Columbia, CT
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It works for some, it doesnt for others. It shouldnt be such a raging debate really. I like them, but there are a few cars I know for whatever reason dont run well with them. 
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: IronWolf]
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09/18/06 07:02 PM
09/18/06 07:02 PM
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I'm just tired of these myths being perpetuated by the ignorant. The myths don't help at all..
I'm not sure WHAT myths are being perpetuated. I know that a snubber worked on my car with SS springs, but not on other peoples. There are so many variations in drivers, cars, motors, converters, etc. how can anybody be so sure it will or will not work? I don't see the real problem, if you don't need a snubber, don't use one and visa-versa. If your SS springs work the way some people say, it won't even make contact with the floor. So the only down side is carring 5 lbs. of extra weight.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: BRawls]
#29644
09/18/06 08:42 PM
09/18/06 08:42 PM
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Hay guys. Use what works for you and let the others use what they like. SS springs and a pinion snubber works for me. The car launches hard and it may not even hit the PS. 
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: greenduster]
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09/18/06 09:35 PM
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Whew!! Lets add this one to the list of "Official Beaten Dead Horses"......  340 or 360 318 or 360 Big Block or Small Block Stroker or Stock Stroke Eddy or Cast Iron Heads Auto or 4-Speed 727 or 904 8.25" any good? Eddy or Holley Carb 741 any good? 742 vs 489 Green vs OEM-style axle bearings Turbo vs Supercharger Clutch fan vs. Flex Fan Rubber vs Poly vs Polygraphite Ported or Manifold Vacuum
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: Dave_J]
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09/19/06 03:20 AM
09/19/06 03:20 AM
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Nanvet has been banned for some reason.
How do you know that?
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: plymouthfan]
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09/19/06 08:17 AM
09/19/06 08:17 AM
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I think the snubber is more than just to stop spring wrap. As the tires rotate forward the axle housing counters and wants to rotate backwards. The axis of rotation at this point is the axle shaft. When the snubber contacts the floor board the housing can no longer rotate on the center of the axle shaft. The momentum of the housing rotation now tries to lift the car up off the ground similar to when you twist a flat blade screwdriver to seperate 2 parts. This places more force downward onto the tires.
Sounds great in theory.
But I wonder if Snubbers are like helper springs. If you put a mondo spring pack on a truck, you don't need helpers. But if you want a compromise you put a lighter spring with a helper that comes into play when loaded only.
Maybe a pinion snubber is a great way to allow for a decent ride but also keep against wrap up when the customer wants to romp on it.
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: CJK440]
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09/19/06 11:14 AM
09/19/06 11:14 AM
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CJK440, you nailed it. Thats what a shubber was ment to do. Its true some cars dont need one, and tapeing the front part of the springs does help on other cars.
And just a side note, after talking to my favorite Modorator (I like them all), I found out Namvet was and is Dr Fiberglass and is banned agian. DaveJ
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers
[Re: IronWolf]
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09/19/06 11:51 AM
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Columbia, CT
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Oh, and you can drive Moper - how's that ??
Iron, anytime I can get the chance I love to drive others' cars. I'd be privileged to take yours down the track. My point is tho, your car, and every other one, is it's own beastie. What works for you, or for the SE guys, doesnt work accross the board. Neither does "the other side's (pro-snubbers..)" arguments. You use stock eliminator as an example. The friends I have that ran it dropped the clutch at 6800, running 5.13 gears in a 3500lbs car on a 9" slick IIRC. So anything that helps soften that apply for a milisecond or two helped the 9" wide tires grab. SO yes, I wouldnt be putting a snubber on one. Your typical stock 340 E body doesnt need one either, until you seat 4 adults and a full tank of fuel in it. That's what the factory needed them for. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion, just the delivery. I'm saying each single application, and in many cases each single person working on the stup will require something for that application. I can tell you, there are many more running snubbers, than those that run none or those that run devices such as Cal Tacs and Slide-a-links all combined. And they work fine for them. No biggie really, but I wouldn't swear loosing it is the be all end all of solutions. It's not. At least not on every car. 
When do you get up north? 
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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I have been into muscle cars and drag racing since the late 60's and I remember most of the Mopar performance bulletins in the late 60's and 70's would tell us to use the pinion snubber and most local bracket racers did use them back then. I always figured that the experts thought with the rear end twist they figured that the pinion snubber would rest it on the car body when it contacted the underbody and the car weight would help plant the tires. I guess most Mopar racers just figured it worked because the experts told us it did. Maybe it does work on some cars and maybe it don't work on others. It depends on the suspension setup and of course worn out springs will most likely make a snubber help. Now it's 2006 and even the local bracket racer seems to run caltracks nowadays and the technology has suspension's working good so most feel you don't need the pinion snubber anymore. Now this is just the way it has looked to me over the years. I can't blame a racer for using a pinion snubber because years ago Mopar said it was one of the best things to help your Mopar hook up. Did it work ??? It depends on who you ask. I ran one for years back in the 70's on my 66 Dart with a 4-speed and worn out springs with air shocks. It had a mild 340 in it and it ran a best of 11.90's @ 112 back in 1981. So I guess it hooked ok for 9" slicks and air shocks. I really don't know if it helped that much or not but I do know we have the 002 and 003 SS springs on my boys Dart street car. And I know it's best 60 ft is a 1.61 without the pinion snubber on it. We had it on the car a year ago and it made no difference. So to answer the question of does a pinion snubber work ???? All I can say is try it and see how it does on your car. Some say it works and some say it don't help at all. It can't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. 
Ron 
