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Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargain? #290095 04/16/09 09:41 AM 04/16/09 09:41 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	I've been looking at the Mopar performance Hemi engines, and after seeing a real nice Ray Barton Hemi in my brother-in-laws' Coronet, I'm wondering which is the better value for the money? Or for that matter....what is the best buy on a 426-528 sized Hemi? Last edited by magnumcharger; 04/18/09 08:37 PM.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290096 04/16/09 12:05 PM 04/16/09 12:05 PM
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moper I Live Here M Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT	If you have to ask... I've heard Tim Banning (For Hemis Only) is the builder Du Jour. I wouldn't be afraid of a few others that are members here: Bob George, DRAM, etc. A good builder can make any engine work well. Truthfully, as far as hemis go, either you want and can afford to get one, or you can't. I can't... Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290097 04/16/09 12:17 PM 04/16/09 12:17 PM
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mickm master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	there are a number of really good people out there. i would recommend tim banning at fho 110%. his customer service and knowledge are the best, and so are his engines. he'll take the time to talk with you and find out exactly what you want.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: mickm] #290098 04/16/09 12:22 PM 04/16/09 12:22 PM
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JSR1485 super stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,123 Seaford Delaware	Guess who builds the Mopar Performance Hemi?? RBRE Switched to the dark side...

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: JSR1485] #290099 04/16/09 01:57 PM 04/16/09 01:57 PM
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JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,974 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Guess who builds the Mopar Performance Hemi?? RBRE only builds the 528

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: JohnRR] #290100 04/16/09 04:34 PM 04/16/09 04:34 PM
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SSAAHemiFan top fuel S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,431 USA	Tim Banning @FHO.. Nice guy with excellent pricing. He's in Bewdley Ontario so that should save you some money also.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: SSAAHemiFan] #290101 04/16/09 04:43 PM 04/16/09 04:43 PM
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torkrules I'm neurotic Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,715 closer to Canadian beer!	Quote: Tim Banning @FHO.. Nice guy with excellent pricing. He's in Bewdley Ontario so that should save you some money also. Tim will talk/email you right away. He'll explain everything pretty clearly and won't try to sell you what you don't need. I had an excellent experience with him just recently. Can't say enough good things about him.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: torkrules] #290102 04/16/09 05:11 PM 04/16/09 05:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	My brother-in law's Hemi was incredibly expensive. But in reality, it's way too much engine for the street. I'm looking for something lesser...but still powerful. What about John Aruzza?

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290103 04/16/09 05:20 PM 04/16/09 05:20 PM
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Silverbullet2 mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	I haven't run my engine yet but I have nothing but good to say about John Arruzza. His shop is spotless and he really knows his stuff. There's a magazine article coming out about his 66 Plymouth with the A148 motor. He was building it about the same time as he was working on mine.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: Silverbullet2] #290104 04/16/09 05:28 PM 04/16/09 05:28 PM
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Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,383 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Hemi and Bargain should not be used in the same sentence.... '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: Dragula] #290105 04/16/09 06:37 PM 04/16/09 06:37 PM
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MAVERICKSHEMI enthusiast Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 370 NASHVILLE	KOFFELS is a name to trust. Get it dyno. Be happy in the long run. Been there done that.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290106 04/16/09 07:22 PM 04/16/09 07:22 PM
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64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Go with Tim. He's in your neck of the woods, and he'll stand behind his work. That can't be said for the others... one in particular. You're gonna easily spend $20K ++. The term "bargain Hemi" is an oxymoron.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: 64Post] #290107 04/18/09 08:47 AM 04/18/09 08:47 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	OK...why would you say 20K for a Hemi? I see them in magazine ads for $13-14K all the time. Are these somehow inferior? And if so, why? Are iron heads lesser than aluminum?

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290108 04/18/09 01:39 PM 04/18/09 01:39 PM
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FuryUs master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,558 Montana	Quote: OK...why would you say 20K for a Hemi? I see them in magazine ads for $13-14K all the time. Are these somehow inferior? And if so, why? Are iron heads lesser than aluminum? I don't have a hemi, haven't built one, and haven't priced one out. BUT it takes more than what you pull out of the crate to drop a hemi in your car. That may or may not add up to the difference we're talking about here.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290109 04/18/09 02:19 PM 04/18/09 02:19 PM
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64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Quote: OK...why would you say 20K for a Hemi? I see them in magazine ads for $13-14K all the time. Are these somehow inferior? And if so, why? Are iron heads lesser than aluminum? The price difference lies with the attention to assembly, machining, parts quality and HP target. If you just want a 4 bbl. Hemi to cruise to the drive in and impress your friends then by all means get a cheap crate version. If you want a quality built piece that makes great power and stays together when you beat on it, then look into Koffels, FHO, Best Machine, CRE. If you choose this route, don't be surprised by a $20K++ price tag. Remember the old adage, "Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten."

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: 64Post] #290110 04/18/09 03:58 PM 04/18/09 03:58 PM
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mickm master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: If you just want a 4 bbl. Hemi to cruise to the drive in and impress your friends then by all means get a cheap crate version. If you want a quality built piece that makes great power and stays together when you beat on it, then look into Koffels, FHO, Best Machine, CRE. If you choose this route, don't be surprised by a $20K++ price tag. Remember the old adage, "Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten." i couldn't agree more. my neighbor who races mopars calls the hemi the 3X motor: everything costs 3 times as much just because it's a hemi. a lot of that is justified. tooling costs are tooling costs, and they only get justified with quantity sold, so lower quantity means higher price. a lot of it is people gouging because it's a hemi. but the hemi is a race engine, it wasn't designed to be a street engine, and there is more to putting one together correctly than a small block chevy. like the last post said, if you want a good, strong engine that is well built and is going to last, then go with one of the reputable builders and expect $20k by the time it is in the car and running. here is one for sale, as long as it is still there: http://www.hemihaines.com/Hemi-Engines-For-Sale---Parts-For-Sale-6-148.html

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: mickm] #290111 04/19/09 10:18 AM 04/19/09 10:18 AM
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Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,383 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: http://www.hemihaines.com/Hemi-Engines-For-Sale---Parts-For-Sale-6-148.html That's a nice stocker, but it states high volume oil pump and no mention of a bigger pan...On a hemi, that spells trouble. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargain? [Re: magnumcharger] #290112 04/19/09 10:40 AM 04/19/09 10:40 AM
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maundmotorworks Stealth poster Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,209 Fredericktown, PA 15333	magnum, you have a PM. Maund Motorworks--supplier of high performance Mopar engines--specializing in B, RB, and Hemi. www.maundmotorworks.com

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargain? [Re: magnumcharger] #290113 04/19/09 11:44 AM 04/19/09 11:44 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon	Call Tim at FHO and go from there.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: 64Post] #290114 04/19/09 01:04 PM 04/19/09 01:04 PM
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hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,106 Chicago Blackhawks	64 Post sums it up pretty good. What do you want out of this motor. Aluminum block and heads, then you are in the small block iron motor weight. A lot less weight on the front end. Cast iron hemi is heavy. Aluminum if hurt can be fixed easier. Most of the Big Builders use the Aluminum Head and Blocks. The new MP iron stuff is a lot better than the old stuff. FHO-Tim Banning,John Arruzza and plenty of other are good builders and generally a good bang for the buck. Some are backed up with orders and it might take a while to get your build back. You live in Canada on the east coast. Banning is 35 minute east of Toronto North on Hwy 28 out of Port Hope in Bewdley Ontario. Call Banning at 905-797-2459 or visit his web site at www.forhemisonly.com

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: hemicar1971] #290115 04/19/09 01:23 PM 04/19/09 01:23 PM
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The Shadow top fuel T Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,175 Duloc	You have to be not to cal Tim at FHO. He will explain the differences between a crate and what you get with a custom build. #1 is a motor that works. He's building my motor right now. If you think a crate is just a drop in deal, good luck. Call him. It's a call that cost's you nothing........Yet

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: The Shadow] #290116 04/20/09 04:55 PM 04/20/09 04:55 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I built a 472 Hemi. While I wouldn't trade the knowledge I gained when I built it, and put it into an A-body, a milder wedge would have allowed me a nicer, more driveable car. Build a big wedge. BTW. Even doing it myself, I've got over 20G into it. I stopped counting long ago.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? #290117 04/20/09 05:54 PM 04/20/09 05:54 PM
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Danan super stock D Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 815 PNW	I agree with the post above... Who builds the 'biggest bargain'? YOU do. Hemifish 69: Thanks! I don't feel so bad knowing that someone else has over $20k in a homebuilt engine. And like others have stated, it costs even MORE money to install it in a car. Especially a clone. That said, the hemi is a MAGNIFICENT testament to the ingenuity of mankind that cannot be fully appreciated unless you build it yourself and see how clever the Chrysler engineers were back then. It is very cool to see the final product of a team focused on building a RACE engine rather than just hotrodding a pass-car engine.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: Danan] #290118 04/20/09 06:40 PM 04/20/09 06:40 PM
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Mad_Scientist enthusiast Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 322 Itasca, Texas	Quote: I agree with the post above... Who builds the 'biggest bargain'? YOU do. Hemifish 69: Thanks! I don't feel so bad knowing that someone else has over $20k in a homebuilt engine. And like others have stated, it costs even MORE money to install it in a car. Especially a clone. That said, the hemi is a MAGNIFICENT testament to the ingenuity of mankind that cannot be fully appreciated unless you build it yourself and see how clever the Chrysler engineers were back then. It is very cool to see the final product of a team focused on building a RACE engine rather than just hotrodding a pass-car engine. I am gathering parts for my Hemi as well. Other than the K Member, what else would you need to put it into a non factory Hemi car? 69 Super Bee 440 5-speed 70 Dart Swinger 340 4-speed 69 Camaro SS 396 4-speed 66 Cutlass Convertilbe 70 Judge Ram Air III 4-speed 68 F-100 SWB

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: Mad_Scientist] #290119 04/20/09 08:02 PM 04/20/09 08:02 PM
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mickm master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: I am gathering parts for my Hemi as well. Other than the K Member, what else would you need to put it into a non factory Hemi car? that depends on how correct you want it to be, or if you are building a car that you aren't concerned about it appearing stock. after the k member and mounts, it will be sitting in the engine compartment just fine. these are the things i can think of offhand... - positive battery cable is different - throttle linkage and cable - there are pulley and bracket differences - harmonic balancer - air cleaner - 18 spline if it's a 4 speed i know there are more things, but it escapes me at the moment. once again, just depends on what you will be building. big block positive battery cable works just fine, depends if you want the hemi one or not, things like that.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: mickm] #290120 04/20/09 09:04 PM 04/20/09 09:04 PM
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Paul_B pro stock P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,411 Tallmadge, Ohio	Quote: Quote: I am gathering parts for my Hemi as well. Other than the K Member, what else would you need to put it into a non factory Hemi car? that depends on how correct you want it to be, or if you are building a car that you aren't concerned about it appearing stock. after the k member and mounts, it will be sitting in the engine compartment just fine. these are the things i can think of offhand... - positive battery cable is different - throttle linkage and cable - there are pulley and bracket differences - harmonic balancer - air cleaner - 18 spline if it's a 4 speed i know there are more things, but it escapes me at the moment. once again, just depends on what you will be building. big block positive battery cable works just fine, depends if you want the hemi one or not, things like that. When I did my BB to Hemi swap I used Schumacher conversion mounts, bigblock pulleys and balancer. Don't forget about the 8 bolt flex plate/flywheel bolt pattern on the hemi.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: torkrules] #290121 04/26/09 10:55 PM 04/26/09 10:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	Quote: Quote: Tim Banning @FHO.. Nice guy with excellent pricing. He's in Bewdley Ontario so that should save you some money also. Tim will talk/email you right away. He'll explain everything pretty clearly and won't try to sell you what you don't need. I had an excellent experience with him just recently. Can't say enough good things about him. OK...I stopped in to see Tim and got the complete tour!! He took the time to explain to me every nuance of the Hemis he builds and I was quite impressed. I'll be starting a thread about the visit within the next day or so. 5190216-DSC06638.JPG (1248 downloads)

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290122 04/26/09 11:31 PM 04/26/09 11:31 PM
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hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,106 Chicago Blackhawks	Tim wouldn't let you take a picture of the new machine in the back shop. That picture is of a smaller part of the old shop at the front. Just wondered if you saw how high the Lake was behind his house. 1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: hemicar1971] #290123 04/27/09 05:42 PM 04/27/09 05:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	What? The CNC machine, yup I got a picture of that. http://s603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/magnumcharger/For%20Hemis%20Only/ And the lake? Judge for yourself! 5191534-DSC06668.jpg (237 downloads) Last edited by magnumcharger; 04/27/09 06:09 PM.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290124 04/28/09 07:42 AM 04/28/09 07:42 AM
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The Shadow top fuel T Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,175 Duloc	Did Tim change your mind on a crate?

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: The Shadow] #290125 04/28/09 09:42 AM 04/28/09 09:42 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada M magnumcharger OP top fuel
magnumcharger OP top fuel M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,489 Tracy, New Brunswick, Canada	Oh yes... It's the difference between going to McDonalds for lunch, and going to the Keg. Both food, but one is made by a chef, and the other is made by your neighbours' kid. Or in other words, a hand-built custom engine verses an assembly line effort.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290126 04/28/09 03:19 PM 04/28/09 03:19 PM
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hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,106 Chicago Blackhawks	The shop is really impressive. Not many shops are that organized and that clean. The 1965 Block (complete hemi) I believe belongs to a guy on Moparts,can not remember who it is. Tim's spot is right in the middle of one of the good fishing lakes in Ontario, Rice Lake. I wonder if Tim would build a Hemi Boat for the lake, like his old Cuda had. 500 Cubes and 14/71 blower. 1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: magnumcharger] #290127 04/28/09 03:50 PM 04/28/09 03:50 PM
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64Post master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,716 Baltimore/Denver	Quote: Oh yes... It's the difference between going to McDonalds for lunch, and going to the Keg. Both food, but one is made by a chef, and the other is made by your neighbours' kid. Or in other words, a hand-built custom engine verses an assembly line effort. That's what we tried to tell ya. Now you can at least see how and where your money gets spent. Quality doesn't cost... it pays.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: 64Post] #290128 04/28/09 08:43 PM 04/28/09 08:43 PM
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The Shadow top fuel T Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,175 Duloc	Being a customer of FHO, Tim's prices are inline with the crate motors. It's the upgrades that get you.

Re: Buying a Hemi...who builds the best bargin? [Re: The Shadow] #290129 04/28/09 09:34 PM 04/28/09 09:34 PM
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mickm master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,179 California	Quote: Being a customer of FHO, Tim's prices are inline with the crate motors. It's the upgrades that get you. yes, but try buying a crate motor, and doing the same upgrades and see what you end up with...

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