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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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07/04/07 05:32 PM
07/04/07 05:32 PM
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Well I do know someone that might be interested in the core boxes and doing something with them....
So MP or anyone that has power, feel free to contact me.
I wish it was that easy Brian. I would think about taking on the project myself, but you have to understand the W5 core boxes are MP's design, they are proprietary to MP. There is no way no how they would EVER sell their design/cores to any outside source. They would rather see them destroyed than in hands of an outside supplier.
You have to realize they lost a ton of $ designing the W5 and producing them. I forget, but I did hear what the scrap rate was on them, something like 2 out of every 3 cast? One of the engineers told me last year how much $ they have LOST just on the Hemi block program since it originated years ago.... it was in the 7 figures JUST ON THE HEMI BLOCKS. So I'm amazed they still make anything with their failure rate of the past.
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: RyanJ]
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07/04/07 05:49 PM
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Well I do know someone that might be interested in the core boxes and doing something with them....
So MP or anyone that has power, feel free to contact me.
I wish it was that easy Brian. I would think about taking on the project myself, but you have to understand the W5 core boxes are MP's design, they are proprietary to MP. There is no way no how they would EVER sell their design/cores to any outside source. They would rather see them destroyed than in hands of an outside supplier.
You have to realize they lost a ton of $ designing the W5 and producing them. I forget, but I did hear what the scrap rate was on them, something like 2 out of every 3 cast? One of the engineers told me last year how much $ they have LOST just on the Hemi block program since it originated years ago.... it was in the 7 figures JUST ON THE HEMI BLOCKS. So I'm amazed they still make anything with their failure rate of the past.
Which is why looking for the best "deal" is not the best DEAL!
We do alot of chevys and fords, and we have a GMPP bowtie small block in our shop right now that is a work of art. Thick, heavy block that can take upwards of 750HP and costs 1950.00!!!!
Ford Motorsports blocks are in the low 2000's.
Doesn't MP realize that if they offerend their resto blocks with clearance for roller lifters and a little better attention to detail and sold them for under 2K they would make a small fortune?? Say, do the same people that run our countries economics run MP? 
Ever since I've been into Mopars and been buying MP stuff (1980's) their customer service is non-existant, parts are not what they should be, parts are 3 times the price they should be, and if they are available they are on backorder.
If MP really cared about making money and rising to the top they would either get moving on stuff or sell it and retire to the bahamas.
MP is like the parent that buys you a bicycle and then throws rocks at you when you ride it by them.  
Ryan I know it's not that easy, just wanted to stir a turd with MP... 
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: RyanJ]
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07/10/07 12:34 AM
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Well I do know someone that might be interested in the core boxes and doing something with them....
So MP or anyone that has power, feel free to contact me.
I wish it was that easy Brian. I would think about taking on the project myself, but you have to understand the W5 core boxes are MP's design, they are proprietary to MP. There is no way no how they would EVER sell their design/cores to any outside source. They would rather see them destroyed than in hands of an outside supplier.
You have to realize they lost a ton of $ designing the W5 and producing them. I forget, but I did hear what the scrap rate was on them, something like 2 out of every 3 cast? One of the engineers told me last year how much $ they have LOST just on the Hemi block program since it originated years ago.... it was in the 7 figures JUST ON THE HEMI BLOCKS. So I'm amazed they still make anything with their failure rate of the past.
This is what kills me. Lose that much money and most of it is junk or should I say NOT WHAT THEY PROMISED. Core shift, porosity ect... Hey Chrysler here is a tidbit of info!!!! Make quality casting at Reasonable prices and you will sell MANY...... I don't care if it is a HEMI or small block Chrysler, Casting is Casting If DART can produce a GM & FORD with thick uniformed wall than they can do it with Chrysler  Matt
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: dare_dude]
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07/10/07 11:41 AM
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Actually, we are now involved financially on a new SB Race block project, and if it ends up going well, we may look into casting alum heads in 1-3 years. Would be some sort of W5/Early 1995 W7/Diamond/Arrington style head. Basically would be a rip off of one of those designs, one thing for sure, it would have W5 header pattern so people can run the TTI W5 header or the Heddman stuff. Don't want to cast something that uses custom headers.....
But we'll see how the block casting/machining process goes first.
BTW the pics of the motor/mid plates were for AndyF to look at, since I can't attach pics to a PM. But looking back, actually yes there was a W5 accidentally in the background LOL. They are laying all over the place here.
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: J_BODY]
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07/15/07 01:41 PM
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: J_BODY]
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01/11/08 09:01 AM
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j body what cubic inch is your motor ? give us some specs. im running ported eddys didnt gain anything last year over my steel heads on my 410 ci maybe i need more flow something around 300 at 600lift. i want to look at w5 harder any spec info on nonported and ported ?
thanks don
2009 418" build dan smith built
new 9.96 131.82
6.23 108
1.30 60 foot
best to date 9/15/09
8in 727 430 dana 2860 lb 3040 lb w driver
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: 10 o to go]
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01/11/08 09:23 AM
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any spec info on nonported and ported ?
thanks don
Flow numbers from a late revision
casting in factory form.
2.02 x 1.60
...........IN...................................EX
.100"....54.6...............................56.6
.200"...100.8..............................101.0
.300"...150.5..............................144.3
.400"...202.1..............................159.2
.500"...243.2..............................168.1
.550"...257.5..............................169.9
.600"...263.0..............................171.1
Ported with 2.08 x 1.60
...........IN..................................EX
.100.....64.9..............................56.1
.200....124.6.............................118.8
.300....189.4.............................174.6
.400....245.6.............................203.6
.500....286.7.............................224.4
.550....301.6.............................229.4
.600....304.0.............................232.4
.650....298.0.............................237.3
.700....290.4.............................240.7
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LOL...
.....and it did. Pretty much right out of the box. Car hit the track in October and I think by the third pass it had run a 10.21 @ 134. 60ft was horrid and my dad has only shifted it at 6400 so far. Won't have to beat on this one to run 10ohs.
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