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Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 07:29 PM
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I have always struggled with tuning my carb and was thinking a wide band air/fuel meter might help me out a bit? I am thinking either the LM-1 or the FAST with (1) sensor. I want to keep the cost down and figure I can weld an extra bung on the other side and swap the sensor if needed. Can anyone recommend one over the other? I read the LM-1 info can be downloaded onto a computer which sounds like a nice feature.
'72 440 Cuda
11.673 @ 115.91 w/1.663 60'
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Re: Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 07:37 PM
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i personally would get the altronics O2 alert, you have provisions to hook up 2 oxygen sensors to it if desired, completely programmable and you also get rpm's and voltage as well as provisions for vacuum sensors.
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Re: Innovative LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 07:40 PM
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its by far the best item i have ever bought for my car, it took the guesswork out of tuning and you can tune for max. hp with it. and tune for all 4 seasons. 
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 07:44 PM
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Thanks for the info...I'll check it out.
I also noticed Innovate has an LM-2 which looks a little newer. Anyone using it?
I don't have a cig lighter in the Cuda. Would I have to add one or could I hard wire it into a switched hot lead?
'72 440 Cuda
11.673 @ 115.91 w/1.663 60'
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 08:14 PM
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You should also look into the LC-1 same thing as the LM-1 but its a gauge so it cab be mounted. We own an LM1 and it is bulky and kind of a hassle at times.
-Dustin
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68 Barracuda 340 F/SA
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 08:18 PM
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I just talked to an Innovate distributor out in CA. He is an ex-employee and seemed very knowledgeable. The LM-2 sounds like it can do everything I want and more. He also commented that it is less bulky than the LM-1, plug connections are better, data can be saved to an SD card... Sounded pretty nice to me.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 10:49 PM
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On second thought. I have been reading the LM-2 forun on Innovate's website and the reviews are less than positive. Now I think I will go with either the LM-1 or the LC-1. I just want something that works without a bunch of bells and whistles I don't really need. Stay tuned (no pun intended).
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 11:13 PM
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On second thought. I have been reading the LM-2 forun on Innovate's website and the reviews are less than positive. Now I think I will go with either the LM-1 or the LC-1. I just want something that works without a bunch of bells and whistles I don't really need. Stay tuned (no pun intended).
 people with the LM2 are less than pleased. too many bugs.
I really like the idea of GTech Pro EGS its a tach with an o2 sensor built in (for additional cost) http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 11:47 PM
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I use the dual FAST, but it's big clunky feeling and looking. It does record so maybe if it were mounted it would be better. I saw a neat tach at SEMA though, that had it built in with playack for several sensors. i can't remember the name but it was something like Qtach, or something. I'll look and see if i can find it. It would graph A/F against rpm, and that would be most helpful. My FAST unit won't sync with my MSD 10 box so I can't follow it by RPM, so I count down from the time slip.
was it the GTech Pro EGS http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html
the only thing i dont like about it is that you cant download the info to a computer
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/06/09 11:49 PM
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Use www.zeitronix.com. Talk to Marc. They were voted number one at SEMA show in 2008. Tell Marc that Mike Mills told you to call he will offer you a deal you cant turn down. Plus your right down the street so we can compare data and I can help you with it if needed
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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I use the dual FAST, but it's big clunky feeling and looking. It does record so maybe if it were mounted it would be better. I saw a neat tach at SEMA though, that had it built in with playack for several sensors. i can't remember the name but it was something like Qtach, or something. I'll look and see if i can find it. It would graph A/F against rpm, and that would be most helpful. My FAST unit won't sync with my MSD 10 box so I can't follow it by RPM, so I count down from the time slip.
was it the GTech Pro EGS http://www.gtechpro.com/egs.html
the only thing i dont like about it is that you cant download the info to a computer
Yeah that's the one,, check out all the functions. I like gadgets, and I only played with it at SEMA, so it may be great, or junk I don't know. It did feel like quality, but who knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAWFIZmUekM
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/07/09 09:20 AM
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I have a FAST and a LM1 with the RPM module, I have had troubles with both systems. I did upgrade the LM1 to the LC1 to get dual readings off of both sides of the motor on the same session, I haven't installed that portion yet, shame on me  I like the LM1 better, it is way easier to read once you download the session onto a laptop
ive had some problems with the LM-1. This was an older unit purchased off Ebay and im borrowing it. It doesnt read RPMs correctly with rpm converter. its connected to the tach output on my mallory hyfire box with my tach and the tach reads right.
Lst weekend at the track, i was logging data during the runs and a few times it disconnected itself in the middle of the run so i got nothing i could use.
My idle mixture is also VERY noisy looking with big dramatic changes in afr. that may be a grounding problem. I want to hard wire the power and ground into the fuese box instead of using the cig lighter (might work better)
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/07/09 06:21 PM
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Now I am really confused. The GTechPro tach set-up looks really nice but it is expensive when you figure the cost of the gauge and the adder for the o2 sensor. Plus it don't have the ability to download info to a laptop.
I called Zeitronix and they were very nice but their unit doesn't store and offer the ability to download onto a laptop later either. Is this something I really need?
I called Innovate to ask about the XD-16 Kit and while they did answer my questions, they seemed to have a chip on their shoulder.
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/07/09 09:42 PM
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You can record up to 9 hrs of data. Not sure what Marc may have been refering too. But the ZT-2 box is a datalogger and they have the guage for real time or the LCD (which I got with it) that you can recall highest reading and look at while you are driving.
Its awesome! The problem with the LM1 which is a very good box has always been ground issues and the rpm being accurate. Not to mention it costs a boat load to get all the sensors you may want.
I am recording fuel pressure, Wideband O2, boost, rpm, intake temp (used for water/meth spray)
I can email you the directions if you want. Shows you how to datalog
Cudaman1967
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Re: Innovate LM-1 vs. FAST...which one to buy?
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04/07/09 10:55 PM
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Cudaman1967...I sent you a p/m earlier tonight...check it out.
If you can p/m or email me those directions that would be great. Do you actually have to have a laptop in the car and connected to the ZT2 to data log or can you make your pass and connect the laptop once you get back in the pits between rounds?
After researching multiple forums and sites tonight I think I am leaning toward the Zeitronix piece.
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