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Re: Need good alignment specs
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For street and strip. I cant find my specs that i use for my cuda and its been over 10 years since its been aligned.
i thought it was something like 2 or 3 negative camber and 1/8" toe in.
anyone have some good numbers for a mixture of curves and straights?
im getting it aligned tomorrow
As much caster as you can get up to about 5 degrees positive
.5 to .75 negative camber with radial.
1/16 toe in.
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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The way you list the toe would lead me to believe you have .25 which is way too much. Toe is usually expressed as a single number, and yes its the relationship of one wheel to the other.
You now have postive camber.....hummmmm. I would have sacrificed whatever amount of caster was required to get you to 0 camber.
Rather that new UCA's the Moog offset bushings will remedy the problem nicely.
Jumping up and down.....not sure---maybe the excessive toe????
 He took what you wanted to literally. Or he didn't understand the concepts enough to know the order of importance and minimum levels of the specs/requests you asked him.
I think you might need to find a better alignment shop. That or something is really lacking in communication.
-Adjust the caster to the greatest amount with rear cam adjuster all the way inward and front all the way outward.
-Then bring in front adjuster to get to at least 0 or .25 negative camber.
-Then do the same for the other side.
-Then go to the side with the most caster and adjust the front cam adj. inward so the caster is about halfway toward the other side's number.
-Then adjust the rear cam adj. out enough to get the camber match other other side.
That should get you pretty close. Then you have to go back and forth with the front a rear adjuster to get the camber and caster to match the other side.
The camber should be a minimum of 0 or .25 NEGATIVE (top of tire in).
The reason it pulled before is that the car had cross caster. One side was negative (-1.7) and the other side was positive (1.2).
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Re: Need good alignment specs
[Re: RapidRobert]
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I set my ride height ahead of time after once it came back too low, 0 camber, as much positive caster as they could get(but the same amt on each side) forgot the toe in but iirc 1/16" to 1/8", all with my weight in barbells in the drivers seat after I get there, the tire psi where I want it, a half tank of gas, also told him to tighten the uca cam bolts TIGHT when he's done(the 65 lbs spec is too low) & a $20 tip for him to get it where I want it. My 65 dart tracks perfect 
If I cannot do it, I ask the alignment guy what the first step to a Mopar torsion bar suspension alignment is. If he doesn't say set ride height, I move on.
There used to be the disclaimer: torsion bar suspensions extra on alignment prices because of the extra step.
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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If I cannot do it, I ask the alignment guy what the first step to a Mopar torsion bar suspension alignment is. If he doesn't say set ride height, I move on.
There used to be the disclaimer: torsion bar suspensions extra on alignment prices because of the extra step.
Alignments can be done properly at different ride heights. Mopar was the only one that allowed a height adjustment. Granted mopar has specs with ride height setting to make bump steer a minimum.
As far as ride height goes all cars should be adjusted at the factory recommended height. I always made sure the right to left was even and the car was not nosed up or down at a bad angle.
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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04/05/09 02:45 AM
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I assume you are using teh degree plate to measure the degree of turn on the wheels as you measure caster. Wha degree are you turning to? 20 degree? 30 degree? I would be interested in knowing this. Thanks.
"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."
If you are doing it on some sort of modern alignment rack the machine will tell you the angle or set point.
A Longacre caster camber gauge can use a degree plate, but there is also an angle machined on the edge of the gauge. You turn the wheel until the angle is paralell to the car. OR mark the rotations on the steering wheel (tape mark on wheel) and make sure the wheel is turned the same exact amount both ways from center.
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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I highly recomend a longacre type guage.
How do you use this gauge, I can not see a good way to attach it to the wheel? Most wheels do not have a machined flat serface to attach the gauge to...
What do you guys do...
I bought the Fasxtracks one with the 3 arms that contact the rim edge...
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aarcuda, Where do you live?
If your close enough I'll set the car up for ya. 
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aarcuda, Where do you live?
If your close enough I'll set the car up for ya.
not very close. im in Arkansas.
my alignment guy isnt a a total idiot. he tried to get me what I asked for. but said that if he adjusts the canmber to negative, my caster goes all to hell. then we talked about what he could get me for camber if he set the caster to 2.5/3.5 and let me know that I'd be at positive camber.
me, not knowing anything said go ahead and go for as much - camber yu could at 2.5/3.5 and thats what he did.
if i'd have known the -camber was that important, i could have had him set it there. i'll also ask [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] is up with the toe numbers and get them straightened out
I'll take the car back there and have him try that. he's giving me a buddy deal so its not costing all that much.
the good news is that the car seems to drive fine. i guess that jumping i felt in the wheel must have been the road cause i havent felt it again. I drove a good 100 miles or so this weekend and ran it down the track and it felt fine in the corners (although i did squeek a little doing some cornering at faster than normal speed- i guess thats the + camber coming back to haunt me) and it felt fine at the drag strip.
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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04/05/09 09:36 PM
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Would the above alignment specifications you stated be the same for a daily driver with radial tires and no drag strip racing?
I'll set up a daily driver for as much caster as I can get without sacrifcing camber. Camber I like to see at 0 to . 5 deg neg. no more than a 1/2 deg split between camber/caster. Toe I want at .06
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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I'm more than a little late to this particular dance, but I aligned cars for a living in a previous life. I cannot speak to alignment specifically targeted at the auto-x crowd. The specifications for Mopar alignment back then tended toward slightly positive camber, and I have not been horribly dissatisfied with 0 to maybe 1/4 degree positive camber to this day. Therefore, you will not find me among those determined for some negative camber action. What I am in favor of is as much balanced, positive caster as possible. Besides getting toe to something reasonable (no more than 1/8" total in), in my mind there is nothing more important than getting the caster really close side-to-side. Anything else is asking for a come-back due to a complaint of pulling. Offset bushings (installed to maximize positive caster, not positive camber) are some additional help in the direction of positive caster before abandoning stock UCAs in favor of tubular numbers. 
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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04/05/09 10:36 PM
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I always ALWAYS run some negative camber. The $64 question: How much? There's a whole host of factors, some of which are:
> How aggressively is the car driven? (i.e., canyon and entrance-ramp carver?)
> I assume radials (otherwise you might actually want 0° camber), but the aspect ratio is important, the lower the aspect ratio, the less negative you need
> Roll stiffness
> Tire pressure
> Wheel width to tire section width
I have run as much as 2° negative and STILL worn out the outer part of the tread first. But, then, I am an animal.
For most of my street-cruiser type buddies, I recommend 0.5 to 0.75° negative.
I like lots of positve caster but not more than 2.5 to 3 deg. or so. More is better for road racing as long as there are no REALLY long high-speed straights -- excess caster makes the car pretty spooky at very high speeds. Caster is somehow hard for a lot of guys to conceptualize. Picture a line drawn between the center of the ball joints. If this line is viewed from dead-ahead of the car, you're looking at steering axis inclination (not independently adjiustable). Viewed from the side, this same line is caster.
Rick
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Re: Need good alignment specs
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04/05/09 10:41 PM
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I'm more than a little late to this particular dance, but I aligned cars for a living in a previous life.
I cannot speak to alignment specifically targeted at the auto-x crowd.
The specifications for Mopar alignment back then tended toward slightly positive camber, and I have not been horribly dissatisfied with 0 to maybe 1/4 degree positive camber to this day. Therefore, you will not find me among those determined for some negative camber action. What I am in favor of is as much balanced, positive caster as possible. Besides getting toe to something reasonable (no more than 1/8" total in), in my mind there is nothing more important than getting the caster really close side-to-side. Anything else is asking for a come-back due to a complaint of pulling.
Offset bushings (installed to maximize positive caster, not positive camber) are some additional help in the direction of positive caster before abandoning stock UCAs in favor of tubular numbers.
as coincidence may have it, i had just checked my 70 service manual and saw they actually called for positive camber (just like you said).
but i can see how negative camber would aid in cornering.
What do you make of the toe numbers i posted? Can I just rotate the tie rod sleeves an equal amount to get it closer to 1/16" or does it need to go back on the rack?
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With all these very high caster numbers, I hope you guys are talking about power steering. The original questioner didn't mention power or manual, but you sure don't want +5 deg caster with manual steering.
I set mine at 0 to +1 for manual. Above (and at) +1, you can really feel the difference and steering gets hard.
Bob
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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With all these very high caster numbers, I hope you guys are talking about power steering. The original questioner didn't mention power or manual, but you sure don't want +5 deg caster with manual steering.
...yeah, fast ratio manual and sticky tires. One of the only real forms of exercise I get (the others are even more fun) ;->
+5° caster is crazy. Part of the problem with super-high caster settings is that the vehicle tilts significantly during the caster sweep, actually distorting the camber measurement. It can be almost impossible to prevent a lead (pull) with caster set that high.
Rick
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
[Re: Twostick]
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Too much caster can cause a violent shake after hitting a big bump at speed ie railroad tracks or potholes. 5 deg might work on a tabletop smooth track but I wouldn't want it on the street.
Kevin
Respectfully, I suggest that this symptom in a car has nothing to do with aggressive caster, and everything to do with the integrity and condition of the front suspension. For high caster numbers, I suggest one look up the factory alignment specs on a 1973 era Monte Carlo. That model exhibited none of the symptoms you attribute to positive caster.
When I was lobbying for the merits of positive caster, it was in the framework of the practical numbers one can get from a stock or near-stock Mopar front end, and in a car with power steering.
In addition to the lack of wandering and return-to-center benefits of positive caster, I also see it as a mechanism to obtain beneficial camber in turns. As I have said before, I am not in the camp of negative static camber fans (because I don't throw my pigs around corners quickly very often). However, positive caster will result in a shift toward negative camber on the outboard side and toward positive camber on the inboard side in a turn. This I find to be something desirable.
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Re: Need good alignment specs
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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07/12/09 10:05 AM
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I always ALWAYS run some negative camber. The $64 question: How much? There's a whole host of factors, some of which are:
> How aggressively is the car driven? (i.e., canyon and entrance-ramp carver?)
> I assume radials (otherwise you might actually want 0° camber), but the aspect ratio is important, the lower the aspect ratio, the less negative you need
> Roll stiffness
> Tire pressure
> Wheel width to tire section width
I have run as much as 2° negative and STILL worn out the outer part of the tread first. But, then, I am an animal.
For most of my street-cruiser type buddies, I recommend 0.5 to 0.75° negative.
I like lots of positve caster but not more than 2.5 to 3 deg. or so. More is better for road racing as long as there are no REALLY long high-speed straights -- excess caster makes the car pretty spooky at very high speeds. Caster is somehow hard for a lot of guys to conceptualize. Picture a line drawn between the center of the ball joints. If this line is viewed from dead-ahead of the car, you're looking at steering axis inclination (not independently adjiustable). Viewed from the side, this same line is caster.
Rick
Great read, thanks Rick.
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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07/12/09 07:40 PM
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Too much caster can cause a violent shake after hitting a big bump at speed ie railroad tracks or potholes. 5 deg might work on a tabletop smooth track but I wouldn't want it on the street.
Kevin
I've never heard of that. On 94+ Dodge 4x4 trucks it's the other way around. Not enough positive caster causes death wobble.
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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07/13/09 12:40 PM
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This is a great thread and I hope it gets archived.
Here's a few questions:
I just took my manual steering 71 RR to an alighnment shop and they couldn't get the caster/camber settings anywhere near the factory recommended settings. Eventually they did the toe-in and didn't charge me for the effort. The suspension was rebuilt in 1991, but since then only 3000 miles have been put on the car. Could I be looking at misaligned eccentric cam mountings?
Also, with laser alignment equipment that mounts reflectors on the wheels, is there an easy way to access the eccentric cams withthe wheels on? I was in the shop, helping the guys locate and turn the cam bolts, and we had a heck of a time doing it. (Of course it didn't help that the shop doesn't get many vintage mopars and had mostly metric tools. I can forgive the first, but not the second.)
I have an appt to get my power steering 71 Sat aligned this afternoon, and I was planning on going with these specs:
Camber: -0.5
Caster: +3.0
Toe: 1/16
One more question: Does it ever make sense to have different camber settings for left and right? Such as:
Left: -0.7
Right: -0.5
Thanks.
Jim
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster. Mostly metric tools? 
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster.
Mostly metric tools?
I'm running the tubular uppers from somewhere, I forgot where I got them. 
Jim
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I reached around the tire with it on, to access the cam bolts. I like your specs, do you have stock upper arms? If so, you might have trouble getting 3+ caster.
Mostly metric tools?
I'm running the tubular uppers from somewhere, I forgot where I got them.
Jim
With good tubular uppers, you should be able to 3+ deg positive caster. The 1/4 camber split is for road crown.
What was the name of shop did you got it aligned?
Take it to Bagge Alignment on Washington Blvd just a few blocks east of Overland. http://www.baggeandson.com/ (310)838-8485 Right accross from MGM studios.
They have been in business for over 90 years. Tom Vardon is a descendant of the original owner. The alignment guy, Paul, has been there for over 30 years. They fully understand custom and handling alignments.
My dad has been going there since the early 60's. We just had car aligned there last week. Tell them Dave Wall sent you (my Dad).
I think I have recommended them to you before.
You've got the silver 71 or the butterscotch 71? I get those two owners mixed up here on Moparts.
Butterscotch.
Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.
edit: I just made the appt!
Jim
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Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.
Jim
What was the name of the shop you just went to. What basic area are you in. I go to shops all over So Cal.
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Butterscotch.
Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.
edit: I just made the appt!
Jim
I've seen your butterscotch car at Stabile's in Hollywood and Lion's in Torrance.
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Butterscotch.
Yes, you have recommended them to me before. I wish I was closer to them, but I'll probably make the trip due to the quality they offer.
edit: I just made the appt!
Jim
I've seen your butterscotch car at Stabile's in Hollywood and Lion's in Torrance.
Yep. Stabile's closed and I believe he opened a small private shop near the old one. These days I am taking my car to a small shop in the SF valley where old Mopars are a specialty. I've encouraged the owner to contribute to this forum.
Jim
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What did it end up costing?
I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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What did it end up costing?
I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.
I got a 10% discount. With the discount it was $71.
Jim
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Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?
Nope. I've had it for several years now, and don't know what's causing it. The front suspension was rebuilt in 2007. I have brand new tires and wheels. My driveshaft was just balanced. And I have a new alignment.
Maybe the frame is a little out of whack? Or maybe I screwed something up when I rebuilt the front suspension.
Jim
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07/15/09 06:02 PM
07/15/09 06:02 PM
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,161
Los Angeles, CA
JF_Moparts
super stock
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super stock
Joined: Sep 2006
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Los Angeles, CA
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Jim were you able to find the source of the vibration?
Nope. I've had it for several years now, and don't know what's causing it. The front suspension was rebuilt in 2007. I have brand new tires and wheels. My driveshaft was just balanced. And I have a new alignment.
Maybe the frame is a little out of whack? Or maybe I screwed something up when I rebuilt the front suspension.
Jim
A true vibration (as opposed to a steering linkage shimmy), is not going to be caused by a frame out of whack or your "screwing something up when you rebuilt the front suspension". It is coming from a rotating component.
The vibration is only present between 57-63 mph. I feel it in the entire front end, but mainly in the steering wheel. It's less severe now that I've gotten the car aligned.
Jim
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
[Re: JF_Moparts]
#275682
07/15/09 07:34 PM
07/15/09 07:34 PM
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Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 10,542
BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
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Posts: 10,542
BROOK PARK, OH
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That sounds typical of wheel/tire balance issue
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
[Re: JF_Moparts]
#275684
07/16/09 02:10 AM
07/16/09 02:10 AM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 27,453
So Cal
autoxcuda
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So Cal
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What did it end up costing?
I have not paid retail in a while and have no idea what the rates are anymore.
I got a 10% discount. With the discount it was $71.
Jim
I heard another shop today quote a alignment at $80.
So what did you think of Bagge? Did you mention I sent you?
Were they even phased by it being a 30 year old Mopar? Did you notice they still do on car old fashioned wheel balancing with an electric motor driven roller. One of the best ways to balance a Magnum 500 rim since they don't have a hub centric.
I drove by there today and I spotted a 57 Chevy in corner of my eye. Almost everyday they have something in there 30+ years old. I've seen bathtub Porsche's, late 50's Chrysler Ghia's, all kinds of exotics....
Did you mention to Tom about you vibration?? Did he have any suggustions? I bet it's a driveshaft angle. The longer Gear Vendors ampliphies that. I bet they offer driveshaft angle checking/correction. Call them.
Do you have any drop or aftermarket front hangers or rear shackles on you leaves?
Troy had one in his T/A and did a bunch of stuff and then finally checked and corrected the driveshaft angle.
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
[Re: autoxcuda]
#275685
08/27/11 12:56 PM
08/27/11 12:56 PM
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 15,478
the boonies
aarcuda
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I Live Here
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I Live Here
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the boonies
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Going for another alignment today. I put in new Offset bushings, balljoints and wheel bearings and wheel bearings over the Winter.
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
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Re: Need good alignment specs*** UPDATE***
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#275686
08/28/11 01:15 PM
08/28/11 01:15 PM
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 15,478
the boonies
aarcuda
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I Live Here
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the boonies
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what a waste of time. went to 4 places and each one said they can do custom specs. said their computer doesnt go back before 1983 so there was no way they can do it. i'll need to go to the guy i went to last time but hes only open during the week
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas.
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