New Engine Won't Start
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02/12/19 07:01 PM
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jim6346
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Good Afternoon Everyone,
This one has me kind of stumped.
I just put a rebuilt 440 into a 69 Charger (automatic).I am not getting any pop out of the engine.....
New plugs, wires, coil, ballast resistor.
I set the timing to 5 before TDC. I have great spark at the #1 Spark Plug (I have one of those inline spark testers) and it lights up great.
I have tried both starting fluid and gas down the carb. Nothing.
Checked compression and all cylinders are good. Verified all cylinders are firing.
It turns over well, am using a hi torque mini starter. Kind of slow, but not as bad as my Cuda.
It has some kind of weird dual point electronic distributor. Never seen anything like it. Again, I have really good spark, so I'm thinking that is not the issue?
I have tried bypassing the ballast resistor, no change.
Any ideas? I'm thinking about changing out the distributor, but really want to keep it if possible.
Thanks! Jim
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/12/19 07:48 PM
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RapidRobert
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Jim are you sayin it sparks at the plugs when you crank it with the key but it will not fire off? Is this a new cam breakin? I would set it at 15 BTDC & as said confirm you are on the #1 compression stroke. also get the dist right (not my area). EDIT Yes the points ground the neg coil pri terminal tho not sure why there are 2 wires but others will advise. MORE EDIT starting with the housing turned CCW, then go back CW & first both points will be closed (charging the coil) then one set will open then the 2nd set will open & at that exact point it will fire so with the dampener at 15 turn the housing back till the 2nd set opens & lock it down at that point & also check if the rotor is under or near under the #1 dist cap terminal (at the trailing (CCW) edge of the cap terminal is fine with vacuum adv cuz rotor phasing will shift it back CW) & if the rotor is under a plug wire other than the #1 plug wire either reroute the wires or lift/move the intergear & maintaining the OE pattern is the best. You might just reroute the wires till we get this puppy going but if the intergear is out for preoiling this is a good time to move it.
Last edited by RapidRobert; 02/13/19 12:07 AM. Reason: more thought/bored
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/13/19 01:16 PM
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I'm using a timing light, and it is dead on 5 before TDC. Should be correct? 50-50 chance. Each cylinder fires every other crank revolution. Pull #1 spark plug. Put your finger in the plug hole. Turn engine until compression blows past your finger. Should be approaching tdc. Turn engine to 10 deg btdc. Now you can check to see if the rotor is pointing towards #1 plug wire. If it is pointing the opposite way it is 180 out. Update - it is a regular dual point distributor. There is a black and red wire coming out of the distributor, both going to the negative side of the coil. Is this correct?
Thanks, Jim That is not the factory wire but it will work exactly the same.
Last edited by GomangoCuda; 02/13/19 01:32 PM.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
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02/13/19 01:27 PM
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Who rebuilt the engine? Any chance the cam is way off time?
Is your garage heated? Does your choke work? It's been a bit cold.
If the ignition timing is good and you have a mini starter it should spin over pretty fast. Weeeeee not ert-ert-ert-ert. Could be a low battery or less likely a bad starter.
Last edited by GomangoCuda; 02/13/19 01:30 PM.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: stumpy]
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02/13/19 01:39 PM
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Intermediate shaft position doesn't mean matter as long as the dist cap is wired with the #1 wire over the rotor tip when the piston on #1 cylinder at tdc of the compression stroke. #1 wire can be on any terminal as long as the rotor is pointed to it at TDC of the compression stroke. Fixed
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: stumpy]
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02/13/19 01:59 PM
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Intermediate shaft position doesn't mean matter as long as the dist cap is wired with the #1 wire over the rotor tip when the piston on #1 cylinder at tdc. #1 wire can be on any terminal as long as the rotor is pointed to it at TDC. This is why I typically don't reply. I gave very accurate information & somebody has to be smarter than the next guy. I'm sorry I replied.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/14/19 04:32 PM
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I reread your OP, you have compression. with your tester all plugs are firing. you have confirmed you are on #1 compression. I'll assume fresh gas in the carb. All that is left is something is missing in the dist setup/timing assuming no vac leak. Each set of points connected to the coil neg pri is correct. the EDIT info I posted prior came from the Jacobs ign bible, you might see where you are at with that. & I would time it at 15.
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/14/19 08:39 PM
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Sounds like the intermediate shaft isn't lined up where it should be, most likely off a tooth. With the engine at TDC (#1 Cylinder) the slot on the intermediate shaft should be pointing vertical (up & down).
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
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02/14/19 10:10 PM
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timing tab is on pass side & timing light is showing way CCW past the tab? How far would you guestimate? ported or manifold? what idle speed?
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Re: New Engine Won't Start
[Re: jim6346]
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02/15/19 09:16 PM
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OK, got her running, something weird is up, had to rotate the distributor almost 25 degrees. Not even close to the timing marks, but runs smooth as hell.
Thanks everyone for you help!!
Jim Find your true top dead center first and then check it against you balancer and cover markings. These are cheap -
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