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New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection #261691
03/22/09 11:38 AM
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Oh my! This injection is awesome.

Throttle response is instant and wicked. Be careful doing the burn out. I hit the rev limiter once when I hit it too hard.

The bottom line:

1.25 sixty foot
5.76 at 118 mph at the 1/8 mile mark,
9.12 at 145 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line.

The air was mineshaft, about -600 to -1000 ft density altitude, but with the sunshine the track was hooking. In fact I need to do more work to calm the wheel stand. It tripped the sixty foot timers with the rear tires everytime I smacked the launch (footbrake). The 1.25 was a quick roll-on of the throttle. I did some things to try and stop it, but I need to do more.

Combo summary:
3190 lbs back half Dart with ladder bars and stock front end
4.250" Stroke Callies Crankshaft, 4.375" bore, 511 CID
Flat top pistons, 68cc heads, 13.5 CR
Comp MM305S-10 solid lifter cam (flat tappet, no roller)
305º/320º@.020", 279º/287º@.050", 197º/200º@.200", 110 LSA
.690"/.670" lift with 1.6 rockers (.650/.630 at 1.5)
Indy 440-1 Heads 350 cfm at .700", 368 cfm at .800"
Indy 400-3 intake
Ron's Flying Toilet fuel injection (4.1" dia, 1800 cfm rated)
Custom built headers, 2-1/8” tubes 32" long, 4” collector

I am running 4.30 gears with 32" tall tires, 727 standard gear ratios.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261692
03/22/09 11:45 AM
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I think you have a 8 second timeslip waiting....

How much do you think it will differ between the alky and the E85??


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261693
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Quote:

Oh my! This injection is awesome.

Throttle response is instant and wicked. Be careful doing the burn out. I hit the rev limiter once when I hit it too hard.

The bottom line:

1.25 sixty foot
5.76 at 118 mph at the 1/8 mile mark,
9.12 at 145 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line.

The air was mineshaft, about -600 to -1000 ft density altitude, but with the sunshine the track was hooking. In fact I need to do more work to calm the wheel stand. It tripped the sixty foot timers with the rear tires everytime I smacked the launch (footbrake). The 1.25 was a quick roll-on of the throttle. I did some things to try and stop it, but I need to do more.

Combo summary:
3190 lbs back half Dart with ladder bars and stock front end
4.250" Stroke Callies Crankshaft, 4.375" bore, 511 CID
Flat top pistons, 68cc heads, 13.5 CR
Comp MM305S-10 solid lifter cam (flat tappet, no roller)
305º/320º@.020", 279º/287º@.050", 197º/200º@.200", 110 LSA
.690"/.670" lift with 1.6 rockers (.650/.630 at 1.5)
Indy 440-1 Heads 350 cfm at .700", 368 cfm at .800"
Indy 400-3 intake
Ron's Flying Toilet fuel injection (4.1" dia, 1800 cfm rated)
Custom built headers, 2-1/8” tubes 32" long, 4” collector

I am running 4.30 gears with 32" tall tires, 727 standard gear ratios.



That is awesome Jim. I was waiting to here about your track test with the toilets as I am going to be running them for the first time also soon.

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261694
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Great Jim... congrats... I am assuming this was with
meth for the time being

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: greendart408] #261695
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Over achiever LOL

Man that Dart, seems to run about a second faster than it should...Very nice..


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261696
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Man, that puppy`s flying.......tame the wheelies and you just might see a 8-sec slip. Sure wish I could race on that track in those conditions. Congrats.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261697
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: FY1TA] #261698
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Nice Jim you gonna make back up to Pittsburgh for the classic this year?

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: FY1TA] #261699
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Jim, that is awesome. As Mike suggested was it on Meth or E85. Again very nice numbers. It runs great with a flat tappet cam and by no means huge lift. I would expect it to be easy on the valve train. . Jim

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: rt66jim] #261700
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Yes, this was on race alky (methanol). I plan to tune the system with the fuel it was intended and they have experience with. That way we know what the motor likes for a tune. Then I will recalibrate for E-85, maybe May? I need to get summer blend E-85 in the 82-85% ethanol range for my 13.5 CR (IMO). The last pass I was able to get 12.3 A/F ratio on the LM-1 wideband sensor (gasoline scale, actual Lambda=0.837, actual A/F=5.35)

I think the E-85 will be 0.10 slower than race alky. I am told that the race alky will not change ET as much with the weather going from spring to summer heat. So the difference between alky and gasoline will be greater in the summer. I am impressed with the alky, but I like the economy of the E-85. It is between alky and gas in performance, cooling, amount used, etc. But the E-85 at less than $2.00/gallon is the cheapo way to run high compression (13.5).

Although right now, the local track is selling alky for $3.95/gallon or $190 to fill your drum with 55 gallons ($3.45/gallon). I got a lead on a MD supplier for $145/drum ($2.64/gallon). I expect alky (methanol) to get cheaper as the summer comes (industrial reasons). If it gets close to $100/drum, I may run it longer...

I will try to get to Pittsburgh for the CC event.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261701
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 70Dustmite440] #261702
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Good job Jim...I switched from an alky carb to the Toilet years ago...they REALLY work well...added a Primer Plus system 3 years ago...now I get the best of both worlds...warm up on gas...race on alky...


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: RapidusMaximus] #261703
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What has to be done to run the E85 in the toilet system?

BTW good job on your new best.

How much did it pick your car up when it was all said and done?

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: Dodgeman67] #261704
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Too cool Jim..

Imagine... A Roller Cam & Vacuum Pump... 8.80's ? Regardless, I know you got it the way you want it so don't go changing too much. I want a fying Toilet.... What can those things be had for used? and what are all the components that make up the system .

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261705
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Jim I know you bought yours used but what do you think
you have into your system(dollar wise) with all the assorted parts

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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection #261707
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: sixpackgut] #261708
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Way to Fly Jim !!!

What nozzles and return pill were you using?? James Monroe provided 37 nozzles for my Terminator and said to start with a 87 pill.
Although i have the black gear pump which may affect the fuel curve???

Hope to learn from your experience so please keep posting

Cheers,

Arnie


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: sixpackgut] #261709
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Nice number Jim


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