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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: Bigcube] #261711
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jim for the sake of info, can you post your old best on gas, then e-85, and now methanol? also, did you change the timing any? how about getting the motor to warm up?

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: slantzilla] #261712
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nice job Jim. Were the gains pretty much what you expected??

I remember the throttle response, like liquid nitrous!!

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: MegaDart] #261713
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Whats the tune up? Bout 93 Pill, and 38 nozzles?
Which pump do your run 0-1/2? Anyways, what was your gain in 60ft?


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: Dodgeman67] #261714
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What has to be done to run the E85 in the toilet system?

BTW good job on your new best.

How much did it pick your car up when it was all said and done?


I am told that the race alky will not change ET as much with the weather going from spring to summer heat. So the difference between alky and gasoline will be greater in the summer. It looks like 2 tenths in cold weather, 3 or 4 in hot weather (compared to a good Dominator carb).

Some people have reported just changing the bypass pill to run E-85. But I am expecting 8 smaller nozzle jets, plus the pill change. The kits come with about 8-10 pills, but they make a larger size range if you need it. There are various pump sizes too, so there are a bunch of factors to consider when buying a used system. When you buy it new, they size it all for you to get you started.

A new toilet system with the current (improved gear pump) is $1745. Then you need a front fuel cell and the braided lines. The kit comes with the #10 AN fuel filter. I got a good deal on a used system close to my needs for $800, then I bought the fuel cell and the #10 line from the tank to the pump (he gave me the filter and the two #6 AN lines from the pump to the Toilet and the return line to the tank. Then there are options like the primer system, or the primer plus system to both start and warm up on gas, while running alky down the track.

www.ronsfuel.com
www.killerrons.com (James Monroe - good company representative)

They have a good description on the system and its parts, read the FAQ and the other descriptive pages on both web sites.

Dave, my previous best was in mineshaft air too, so that is an even comparison. I expect the summer difference to be even more.

Arnie, this is what I am running, but James Monroe is the man to size it. There are factors I don't understand. 0.033" nozzle jets, 0.098" bypass pill, 0.5 vane pump. The previous owner gave me 3 sets of nozzle jets (36, 37, 38). He was making over 100 hp more than me however.

TJ, on gas with the Dominator carb (my car always liked the Dominator) it went 9.26 at 142 in similar conditions. On E-85 with a non-optimum 950 carb (small venturi 1.375") it went 9.30 at 138 mph. But in the summer the differences were larger and will be more comparing to alky/injected. I was only running 30 degrees timing while I tuned yesterday. I planned to go to 34, but ran out of time. So, there may be a little more in it, if I can control the wheel stand. I was able to warm it up by pulling out the shut off valve and idling back to the pits before shutting it off. I never used the electric fan to cool it down, it was mid 50's air temp.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: Bob_Coomer] #261715
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James Monroe set my Terminators up with #38 nozzels with a #86 pill in the return.
It wanted to run a little hot more like it did on gas so I went to #39 nozzels and stayed with the #86 pill cured the problem. I had a needle bearing in the roller on a lifter go out at the last race and thought it was leaning out on the top end. When I talked to James I did not know that and he told me to go to a # 80 pill on the return. I hope in the next 2-3 weeks to try it again with the #80 but will also have my #86 with me just in case.
I am also thinking about trying about 20% Nitro in it with the Terminators. Should work also with the Flying Toilets. Has anyone else thought about this?
Last season was my first time trying alcohol with a New Engine also,but I am sold on the Terminators running alcohol the throttle respone is un-real.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: MRMOPAR622] #261716
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Cool, what was your finish line rpm ? Good numbers for sure, how long have you been running 1.6 rockers ? I've always been afraid of floating the valvetrain with the higher ratio.... Good numbers, what if you used a brake ?

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: MRMOPAR622] #261717
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440Jim, If you cannot get it warmed up leaning it out fast enought. Take the rod that goes to the barrel valve and lengthed it about 2 slats. That would be like going from 32% down to 30%.

I also got off the topic in the above post. I brought mine used it was only run a few times. But after having to have the pump resize and all the other changes to match it up for my engine. I did not save much money at all.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 540dust] #261718
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Cool, what was your finish line rpm ? Good numbers for sure, how long have you been running 1.6 rockers ?


It was around 7200 at the finish line, I need to check it a few more times. I have been running 1.6 rockers for 4-5 years. It does take better springs to control a higher ratio, and I am pushing the flat tappet with 150 seat, 440 open.


MRMOPAR570,
I am running a lean barrel valve setting (12-14%) even though many say to run richer. I have the gray barrel valve (not the purple one) and it flows more fuel than the purple (which likes a higher leak down setting at idle). No hesitation and great results with a weird (leaner) idle setting. But on my LM-1, the idle is not lean, but James Monroe says don't pay attention to A/F at idle, only at higher throttle settings. Set it to make it work at launch and throttle response.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261719
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Wow, you're really close to a 8 sec time slip with a flat tappet cam. Some weight off the front end might be enough to get you there.

At 145 mph you might be able to pick up some MPH by improving the aero. Maybe a wing and/or a spoiler would help out a bit.

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: AndyF] #261720
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Yea this car is a flying brick!
Maybe I will try the lexan behind the grill again. It didn't do anything a couple years ago when I tried it, but it was slower then.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261721
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That's awesome Jim...


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: afxcoronet] #261722
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Have you got any adjustment to take any bite out of the ladder bar ? Do you run 1.6's all the way across or just the intakes , and what springs are you running ? Alcohol doesn't seem to favor the mineshaft air like gas does. 1.25 footin' it is gittin er done for sure.

???? Was that 1.25 with the back tires ???

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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 540dust] #261723
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Have you got any adjustment to take any bite out of the ladder bar ? Do you run 1.6's all the way across or just the intakes , and what springs are you running ? Alcohol doesn't seem to favor the mineshaft air like gas does. 1.25 footin' it is gittin er done for sure.

???? Was that 1.25 with the back tires ???


No, that was rolling the throttle on to avoid the wheel stand getting too high and long. The passes that tripped the sixty foot timer with the rear tires were:

1.349
1.344
1.347

And my car is the long 111" wheelbase, so that could be close to a 1.24 sixty if the fronts would have tripped the timer.

I am running Isky valve springs, #9005, installed at 1.95". 1.6 rockers on both the intake and exhaust.

I have the ladder bars on the lowest hole in the front. This has helpped reduce the hit on the tires, saving the sidewalls for longer life. I run inner tubes, 14" wide rims, and 11 psi. The last set of slicks I stopped using at 193 passes, and the current ones have 151 passes on them.


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261724
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jim it could be time to tie the front down.

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261725
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I'm not going to say the G word, but I'm thinking it.

Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: tjmarcus1] #261726
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jim it could be time to tie the front down.


Yes, more changes are needed. I have travel restrictors under the front A-arm bumper that I have used for years to tune the wheel stand. With the carb, on the best day, I would put 0.187" under it. But I had .375" under it for this test and tune day! I will stiffen the front shocks for next time and maybe reduce the travel even more.

On a ladder bar car, would softening or stiffening the rear shocks reduce the weight transfer? Previously, my car never squatted or raised much at all.

540Dust, yea, yea, I know PG.
But I might try taking out my 8" converter and putting a 9" one in that is tighter (lower stall speed).


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: 440Jim] #261727
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Jim i have found that truning up the T bars in the front is almost like a stiffer front spring. May be try a turn or two to see if that takes some stored energy out of them, this might help calm your wheelstands a little

Your car is bad a$$ for sure!!


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: n20mstr] #261728
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Jim, congrats. I'd love to see a video of your 1/4 passes. Nice winter upgrade. Keep it up and get a video !!


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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection [Re: sunroofgtx] #261729
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Congrats on the new best! Everyone I know that has switched to a toilet said they'd never go back. If you can get the chassis to handle it, it should be deadly consistent too.

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