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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: fowl play]
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02/03/19 12:39 PM
02/03/19 12:39 PM
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Charlotte, North Carolina
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What front shocks are you running? A body small block 10.60 cars. Think my car could use some help. Reasonably priced if possible. First, I think a couple of videos of the launch would help determine if there is a problem, or room for improvement, in the front suspension, rear suspension, weight transfer, hook. Almost anything in any car can be improved. Does it need it? Let's go to the instant replay first... I see you're new to this site. Don't let all of the cross bickering get to you. You will find a thousand different ways to do things, depending on circumstances. Note all of the replies, group them together. determine which solutions might work best for you and why. There are thousands of years of experience on this site. Some very accurate, precise info. And some stuff from left field. Then there are some that just like to stir the pot. You will see a pattern on your own, soon enough. Welcome. Glad to have you on board. You will be going 10.0's soon enough with the help on this site.
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Re: Drag front shocks
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02/03/19 12:48 PM
02/03/19 12:48 PM
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bean town ....Ca
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What front shocks are you running? A body small block 10.60 cars. Think my car could use some help. Reasonably priced if possible. First, I think a couple of videos of the launch would help determine if there is a problem, or room for improvement, in the front suspension, rear suspension, weight transfer, hook. Almost anything in any car can be improved. Does it need it? Let's go to the instant replay first... I see you're new to this site. Don't let all of the cross bickering get to you. You will find a thousand different ways to do things, depending on circumstances. Note all of the replies, group them together. determine which solutions might work best for you and why. There are thousands of years of experience on this site. Some very accurate, precise info. And some stuff from left field. Then there are some that just like to stir the pot. You will see a pattern on your own, soon enough. Welcome. Glad to have you on board. You will be going 10.0's soon enough with the help on this site. . He has been a member since 2007 I'm just saying
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: fowl play]
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02/03/19 03:44 PM
02/03/19 03:44 PM
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Fulton County, PA
CMcAllister
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Mid 10 sec. car has outgrown the 1960s technology 90/10 shock and would benefit from an upgrade I would think. You really only need or want the car to pitch rotate as much as it needs to help out the rear suspension. You're not making so much power that it doesn't need some help, unless it has big tires on it.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: fowl play]
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02/04/19 11:19 AM
02/04/19 11:19 AM
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Buy a shock that allows you to grow in the future.
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: fowl play]
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02/04/19 11:44 AM
02/04/19 11:44 AM
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Marion, South Carolina [><]
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For the money, the Viking DA shocks are hard to beat. I'm very happy w/ the set on my cuda. Did some chassis tuning this weekend at the track and they responded VERY well.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: JACK1440]
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02/04/19 03:58 PM
02/04/19 03:58 PM
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Washington
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I went to Vikings DA last year and have struggled to get them to work with the super stock springs. But... that's just my lack of testing. Gotta find that sweet spot There may not be a sweet spot with that spring and shock combo. Think about what you are doing with the spring and how the shock is not helping. That spring is designed to arc and cause separation and smash the tire into the ground. For that to happen, the shock can have almost little to no rebound dampening. The shock you are using at its least amount of extension is too much dampening to allow the spring to work. IMHO, you're better off going to a split mono spring and a set of Asassin bars. I like them better than the Calverts for the adjustability. I also prefer the slide-a-links better than Calverts for street/strip stuff. With what you are doing, you are beating against the air. You want to make the shock control a spring that functions by not being controlled. Just my thoughts on your situation.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: fowl play]
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02/04/19 04:10 PM
02/04/19 04:10 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
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After smashing so many oil pans I went back to stock Monroe matics front shocks. $30. bucks each. Out of control wheelies with 90-10's was ridiculous . Now 10.30 at 130mph. is good enough with the wheels just up a little at launch. Could a multi adjustable be better? Not from my wallets view.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: rowin4]
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02/04/19 04:42 PM
02/04/19 04:42 PM
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After smashing so many oil pans I went back to stock Monroe matics front shocks. $30. bucks each. Out of control wheelies with 90-10's was ridiculous . Now 10.30 at 130mph. is good enough with the wheels just up a little at launch. Could a multi adjustable be better? Not from my wallets view. You need DA shocks way more than you think. A stick DEMANDS a good shock.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Drag front shocks
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02/04/19 05:03 PM
02/04/19 05:03 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
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So what will the DA shock do , I have weight transfer , I don't want the wheels in the air to shift , been there done that transmission carnage. It caries the wheels out 40-50 feet now , down for the shift then back up again.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: rowin4]
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02/04/19 05:46 PM
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So what will the DA shock do , I have weight transfer , I don't want the wheels in the air to shift , been there done that transmission carnage. It caries the wheels out 40-50 feet now , down for the shift then back up again. Nothing. Sounds like you have it tuned perfect.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: BradH]
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02/04/19 09:12 PM
02/04/19 09:12 PM
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The only reason why I'm OK w/ having S-A front dampers is because they're the QA-1 'R' series that have a very firm fixed compression circuit and a wide range of adjustment on the rebound (extension) circuit. For my nose-heavy junk, a stiff compression setting is kind of a given, so the primary changes of the front suspension are the ride height & available travel from the static ride height and the rate of extension off the line. I ran these same shocks on my 64 Belvedere before swapping to double adjustable Afcos. Ran them 2 clicks from full stiff. They were actually pretty good. Got the car below 1.3 60ft with them. Doug
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: dvw]
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02/05/19 04:06 AM
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Melbourne , Australia
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Buy the best DA shock you can afford. Not everone wants to, or has the money for Santhuffs. Strange Eng, Viking or AFCO's are more wallet friendly, all can be rebuilt and re-valved down the track.
Alan Jones
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: J_BODY]
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02/05/19 10:47 AM
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Jay, did you order the bounce control also?
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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02/05/19 11:49 AM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
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Its really to bad that Koni doesn't still sell the SPA speed sensing front shocks any more  No great loss: they aren't very good compared to what's available now since they had limited extension adjustment and no compression adjustment (and were extremely soft on compression, which is why they recommended not using them on big-block cars). I had a set for B/E bodies where one stopped working. Koni said they could still rebuild them, but the cost was at least twice what I paid for the set originally. I got tired of them taking up shelf space about a year ago and sent 'em to the scrap heap. BTW, any good hydraulic valving design is "speed sensitive". A progressive shim stack allows for light damping at slow shaft speeds and increased damping at faster speeds. This goes back to the fact that "traditional" car dampers are freakin' archaic compared to what any production motocrosser made in the last 30 years came with.
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: dvw]
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02/05/19 11:54 AM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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The only reason why I'm OK w/ having S-A front dampers is because they're the QA-1 'R' series that have a very firm fixed compression circuit and a wide range of adjustment on the rebound (extension) circuit. For my nose-heavy junk, a stiff compression setting is kind of a given, so the primary changes of the front suspension are the ride height & available travel from the static ride height and the rate of extension off the line. I ran these same shocks on my 64 Belvedere before swapping to double adjustable Afcos. Ran them 2 clicks from full stiff. They were actually pretty good. Got the car below 1.3 60ft with them. Doug I'll need to tighten up mine a few clicks next time the car makes it to the track. IIRC, they were on the lightest extension setting and I could hear & feel the suspension bang up against the bumpers. If I can slow 'em down a tad w/o hurting the 60-ft, that'll be an improvement.
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Re: Drag front shocks
[Re: BradH]
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02/05/19 12:30 PM
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The only reason why I'm OK w/ having S-A front dampers is because they're the QA-1 'R' series that have a very firm fixed compression circuit and a wide range of adjustment on the rebound (extension) circuit. For my nose-heavy junk, a stiff compression setting is kind of a given, so the primary changes of the front suspension are the ride height & available travel from the static ride height and the rate of extension off the line. I ran these same shocks on my 64 Belvedere before swapping to double adjustable Afcos. Ran them 2 clicks from full stiff. They were actually pretty good. Got the car below 1.3 60ft with them. Doug I'll need to tighten up mine a few clicks next time the car makes it to the track. IIRC, they were on the lightest extension setting and I could hear & feel the suspension bang up against the bumpers. If I can slow 'em down a tad w/o hurting the 60-ft, that'll be an improvement. This is where slow motion video, and a good person filming is valuable.
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68 Road Runner
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