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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2606969
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Almost got it, just need to mount the pickup.
First tried to go under the pump but that didn't work out with the filter in place. I'll leave the line a little on the long side so it can be trimmed of needed after it's installed in the car. Like so many other things it doesn't look like much but alot of thought went into it.

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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607000
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Is that fitting your using on the block or the oil pump?
If on the block have you look closely at that fitting on the front of the block to see if you really want to use it?
If not please do so before you finish making your new oiling system twocents scope

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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607032
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It's the one on the front of the block which then goes to the oil pump inlet. I've spent some time looking at it. Impressions:

I'm aware it's more restrictive than running hose directly into the pump via a special pump/special cover arrangement, but I also see it as an improvement over the internal pickup I was going to use previously.

That oil passage does have a reduced ID + one 90 degree turn before oil enters the pump, but I don't feel either of these things will create any issues.

I do plan on removing the restrictive hard 90 fitting from the pickup, and will use a regular bulkhead fitting + a 90 degree hose end there instead.


Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607312
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The teflon hose requires the special PTFE fittings.


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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607473
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Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.

Time for plan C.

Thanks for the advice, all.

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I use the cast aluminum Milidon pump with the fitting for the second oil pick up cast into the front of it up scope


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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607579
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.

Time for plan C.

Thanks for the advice, all.


It is tight down there. I welded on -20 weld on bungs & use -20 AN hose & fittings on my water pump housing to rad connections.


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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.

Time for plan C.

Thanks for the advice, all.


It is tight down there. I welded on -20 weld on bungs & use -20 AN hose & fittings on my water pump housing to rad connections.


Yeah, that would definitely work!

Remote electric water pump would sure work....I'd probably love that...Not sure I could bring myself to do that without the usual belt drive to go with it, but, it would be cool.

It all adds up and I don't want to out-trick myself just yet. I'll hit the "easy" button on this and will go with plan C (pump cover with bulkhead fitting sticking out). That should give me nicer routing and (very slightly) less restriction, and can keep the other things a little closer to stock for the time being.



Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607708
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I use 2 lines with one facing forward.I also used pre filters as Jimi Vignogna told me to. smoke

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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2607759
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.

Time for plan C.

Thanks for the advice, all.



Hey Zippy,

Mine has the front line and I also use a factory style waterpump housing. Lower rad hose is tight but it does clear.


Ron

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Originally Posted By firefighter3931
Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Scratch that, won't work due to lower rad hose interference.

Time for plan C.

Thanks for the advice, all.



Hey Zippy,

Mine has the front line and I also use a factory style waterpump housing. Lower rad hose is tight but it does clear.


Ron

So do I,sure gets crowded down there!


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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2608058
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Ron, I can "make it work" with a hard 90 bulkhead fitting sticking out of the block but I can't route the hose quite the way that I wanted. Developed a preference for a straight bulkhead fitting and 120 hose end, which takes up a lot more room, and that's what killed the idea.

Al, the world block external oil pickup hole is even closer yet to the w/p. It's workable but I feel I'd be forced to use somewhat less than ideal plumbing to use it. Since I'm only going to have one pickup line I decided it's best if it is as unobstructed as possible.

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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2608064
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You can switch to passenger side inlet water pump and swap radiators. I'm not a big fan of the passenger side inlet since then it gets crowded on that side with the alternator and the TDC pointer but it can be done.

Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2608066
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Personally I would dump that oil pump and go with the newer milodon billet - A Hemi will move more oil volume than a wedge - hence the reason for two lines in - here is how we routed the front line. Milodon makes two covers for the pump depending if you are using the stock mounts or not - either way it gets real crowded down there by the oil filter

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Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2608069
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Yeah I never really liked that right side inlet either.

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Originally Posted By DoubleD
Personally I would dump that oil pump and go with the newer milodon billet


An upgraded pump is a possiblity, and simple enough to change later if I'm not happy with the Melling.

The hard 90 coming out of the block will definitely work, but I decided I want to try routing the hose differently.

Re: Milodon External oil system simple Q: [Re: ZIPPY] #2608088
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I've been using the black nylon hose for a few years with no issues. I also use on internal spring when it is going to be making tight turns for sure if not always


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